TUS01505- June – Lost and Found – Part 2

Marc Moss: [00:00:00] Welcome to the Tele Something podcast. I’m your host, Marc Moss, founder and executive director of Tele something. The next tele something event is October 7th, 2025. The theme is, welcome the Wild Side. You can learn about how to pitch your story and get tickets@tellussomething.org. This week on the podcast,

Aunvada Being: I asked him if he wanted to open up and he jumped at it.

He was thrilled and that was shocking to me and also terrifying and I’m, I wish that maybe I had been a bit more terrified.

Jilnar Mansour: Here I am in a refugee camp in Palestine with four other Americans, and what we’re doing is we’re witnessing the let up of a curfew. Curfew is something that was happening then and is still happening now, where people are not able to leave their home for hours or.[00:01:00]

Days at a time.

Marc Moss: Four storytellers share their true personal story on the theme. Lost and found.

Steve Schmidt: I take position on the left side of the doorway. My partner fills in the position of the right side of the doorway, and we fill this space naturally. Our guns are drawn because we’re searching this residence and I yell,

Lauren Tobias: sir, on the sixth day, I, I got a phone call and there was three kids on the other line and they were calling from the Wolf Point Pizza Joint.

I was like, hello? They were like, all they said was, we found your dog.

Marc Moss: Their stories were recorded. Live in person on June 30th, 2025 at Ogren Park at Allegiance Field in Missoula, Montana. Closing out Pride Month. On this episode of the podcast, we’re trying out something a little different. Tell us something.

Board member Beth Ann Osteen generously offered to bring in a professional sound engineer to better capture the feeling of a live event. We’re going to try to keep the essence of the live evening by [00:02:00] using the storyteller introductions as I introduce the storytellers the night of the event. As usual, I’ll give a little teaser the story before the storyteller shares their story.

We’d love to hear from you what you think. Shoot me an email and let me know how you like the new format. You can email me at info@tellussomething.org. Love it, hate it. Let me know what you think. Thanks. Huge thanks. Goes out to the Greater Montana Foundation who encourages communication on issues, trends, and values of importance to Montanans.

We are so grateful to the Greater Montana Foundation for their support to make the June event possible. Tell us something acknowledges that this land where Ogre Park, uh, ogre Park now stands is the ancestral territory of the Salish and Kalispell peoples who have stewarded it for generations.

Summertime is traditionally the prime time for indigenous peoples to [00:03:00] gather various berries and roots that are in season while the bitter bitterroot are already harvested. Now is the time for processing and storing any remaining bitterroot that have been gathered. Another staple Camus bulbs are being dug and prepared for storage.

Huckleberry’s, serviceberries, and choke cherries are ripening and being harvested for immediate consumption and for drying to preserve in winter. We take this moment to honor its land and the native people and the stories that they share with us to honor them, you can support the ongoing efforts of the Confederated Salish and Kni tribes by learning about their cultural initiatives and advocating for indigenous rights.

More information can be found@kskt.org. Woo.

Tell us something. Stories sometimes have adult themes. Storytellers sometimes use adult language. Please take care of yourselves from a childhood crush to a series [00:04:00] of unexpected turns on Vada being shares her story, following her lifelong journey of self-discovery and the difficult choices she made along the way.

Listen to an vada as she navigates a societal expectations, personal struggles, and ultimately finds her true self amidst unforeseen losses. Onda calls her story. Skittles. Thanks for listening.

Aunvada Being: Since I was a little girl, I knew that I liked girls, and when I thought to do this, a picture of myself came to my mind At Girl Scout Camp, I’m in Pocahontas, hiking boots and shorts, a flannel and a bucket hat. It was pretty cringey, but still one of my favorite things to wear.

Um, when I [00:05:00] was about seventh grade, I met this girl. She was throwing Skittles at me as on the bus, and she became one of the dearest loves of my life. Uh, we spent three years together. Having a blast. Uh, and early on in that time, when we were about 12, we were at a party, at a friend’s house. It wasn’t really our age party.

Her brother was throwing one, and there I met a man and his name was not necessary, but for the sake of the story, Brad. So at that party, he gets a camera and he interviews me about my interest in girls. And it was a very inappropriate situation. He was much older than I was, but I didn’t understand where that was gonna go.

About three years later we’re 15 years old. Sarah and I and Rascally, we’ve, we started drinking and, uh, really kind of [00:06:00] becoming,

oh, chaotic little messes really. And, uh, hard to control. So this guy appears in my life again and I. He offers to, you know, take care of me, uh, and wanted me to move in. I thought, I am a nut for a, I should probably take him up on this, uh, or I’m, it’s gonna probably go pretty poorly for me. I moved in with him and I thought, this is gonna be fine.

I’m gonna have a 1950 style life and, uh, it’s just gonna be, you know, beautiful blue birds and sunshine all the time. And it was nothing like that at all. Uh, it was very chaotic. It was violent and difficult for me to understand from my young perspective. And what was more difficult for me was that I found out [00:07:00] over those years that he was not okay with the fact that I liked girls, which was pretty difficult for me because then I had to accept that.

I was going to be in this relationship forever without that opportunity to ever, uh, have that experience again. Uh, my 21st birthday came around and all I wanted for that was to go to the strip club, and we did. It was great. I drank a ton, got to go up on the stage, uh, and it was a blast. She invited me home.

I was thinking that’s what was gonna happen. And I got down off the stage and Brad says, we need to go. And I get in the car and I was still thinking, this is great. And then I found out he did not, he did not think it was as great as I did at all. Uh, in fact, he had seen the way I looked at her and realized I would never look at him that way.[00:08:00]

And so for about a year after that, things got much worse and I spent. All that time trying to convince him that I loved him and thought he was attractive. But now I really wonder whether I was trying to convince myself of that or not. And so, look at the divorce. I lost my son in that as well. And I don’t go too deeply because that’s its whole story in its own.

But it broke me. It was hard. I was just barely 21 and I went rampant. I ended up pregnant again. And, uh, ironically or not, I had found out two weeks after breaking up with the guy, um, and we broke up because I was making out with a girl at the MMA fights. Uh, you know, if I just learned from my lessons. [00:09:00] So.

Two years go by. I have my daughter and I, there’s a girl I was very interested in that time, but didn’t pursue it. And then I almost dated another woman. But this man came into my life and my daughter called her dad. And I had not had examples of how to have a, a female female relationship in my life. So it didn’t even seem possible to be able to introduce that.

I went back into this heterosexual relationship, uh, with a guy and I spent about eight years with him. And because of the effects from the first relationship, he had no idea about my interest in girls. Not at all. Uh, we got married and I felt pretty secure. So one day I thought, you know. [00:10:00] I’m gonna have to say something or I’m not gonna make it.

I was losing myself completely, and I did, and I asked him if he wanted to open up and he jumped at it. He was thrilled. And that was shocking to me and also terrifying. And I’m, I wish that maybe I had been a bit more terrified because I spent about two years fielding a lot of text messages, asking if it was okay that he had sent pictures to them.

Uh, it was crazy and I, I lost my mind. I was sad. Three kids and a husband, a second one, and I didn’t have what I was realizing I needed.

So two years go by and we meet a girl and about one month in. [00:11:00] Uh, he left me for her, which was not what I was expecting when I opened up the relationship at all. I, I, I broke completely after that. Like I found out I was getting a divorce very suddenly and I couldn’t pull myself together. I didn’t expect to lose two relationships.

I didn’t expect to have kids like scattered, uh, amongst these different homes. I, I lost everything that mattered to me. Everything that I thought defined who I was as a good lady, my, my kids, my husband, my dog, my kid, my things. All of that was gone in all of this, and that is its own long story about how it all got lost, but.

What I [00:12:00] found when I lost everything was that I had covered up everything that allowed me to glow with all of these things that people said I needed to have, to be able to be okay.

So when I, uh, pardon me,

when I came back here to Missoula after what felt like an odyssey, but was really just a year, I ended up at the Tell Us Something event coming home, and it, it was very literal for me to come home to Montana, but then also to hear all these stories. It was pride Month that I. Could identify with everything that people were saying.

And I spent this last year thinking about it all [00:13:00] and thought about everything that I had applied to myself and questioned whether it did actually apply to me, whether I agreed with the people who’d said it, whether I agreed with the statements and I didn’t. I said it, and here I am now. And what I found was that once I lost everything, I found myself.

Marc Moss: I must apologize to Anada for mispronouncing her name when I introduced her the night of the show. You’ll hear me do that here, Anada. I’m so sorry. Thank you for your grace. Avada. Being Avada was blessed with a creative [00:14:00] Western spirit she was born in and has lived in Missoula for 35, up for 37 years.

She’s keenly aware of the vast history of all the lands we walk and is deeply grateful to walk them. She picked magical Missoula as her home after spending a year living off grid near the garden of the Gods in Colorado. In our next story, NAR Mansour, a Lebanese American volunteer in the volatile heart of a Palestinian refugee camp confronts the harrowing realities of a strict curfew set by the Israeli Defense forces.

Amidst chaos and desperation, she recounts an extraordinary act of quick thinking and unexpected alliance leading to a moment where vulnerability becomes a powerful tool for survival. Listen to Zulnar share the difficult choices that she made and the blurred lines of impact versus intention in a story that she calls Who made your breakfast?

Thanks for listening.[00:15:00]

Jilnar Mansour: Here I am in a refugee camp in Palestine with four other Americans, and what we’re doing is we’re witnessing the let up of a curfew. Curfew is something that was happening then and is still happening now, where people are. Not able to leave their home for hours or days at a time. At this point, I think people were on curfew for 11 or 12 days.

And so we were watching people running from one direction to the other, trying to exchange goods. There were no new resources or no new resources in the area, uh, often [00:16:00] and at that time ever. So this would be like someone running to the next village to exchange rice for a flower that had not been peed on by the Israeli Defense Force or the IDF.

So we have people in different villages and, uh, we’re witnessing this chaos. Nah, we hear. Next is Yaha Yan and the soldiers are screaming you animals, you animals. They’re going to stop the curfew. It’s only been a matter of an hours. So there’s been a security breach and now the soldiers want people to go in to whatever home, a stranger’s home, and they’re being called animals so quickly.

Well, in advance of this trip, we had done some affinity training. This was the Michigan Peace team. They had recruited me to travel to [00:17:00] Palestine after seeing me speak about the conflict there for so many years, putting on human rights conferences at law schools. And I thought they were wild for recruiting me.

Um, I had spent time in southern Lebanon, a year and a half under occupation by the Israeli Defense Force. And, um, the odds were differently against me traveling in this. But I definitely thought it was time for me to see what it was I spoke about and what I studied about. So I decided to go, and here I am, we also had done this affinity training on how to make quick decisions, um, in tricky situations.

So I huddled, uh, the people together and I said, it’s, we gotta get the women and children home back to their village. [00:18:00] Everybody quickly said, yeah, that sounds like a great idea. And one guy that had, uh, recruited me the hardest and um, thought that there’d be some rom-com love story of him having me in his life and, uh, traveling to Palestine with a Middle Eastern woman.

So he was kind of against it. He wasn’t in charge and whatever, uh, democratically I won. And this is the story about me creating a checkpoint in the land that they call Israel or Palestine. I quickly turned and found a woman of beauty and knew that I needed her help. And so I grabbed this woman with long red hair from Brooklyn and said, come with me.

And she, she came with me. And as we walked over towards the soldier, I asked her to ask the soldier, uh, who made his breakfast, and she did. [00:19:00] And he conveniently answered his truth, which was that his mother made his breakfast. It was easy to slip it to a space of vulnerability and humanity with him. And in that conversation, he let us know that him and most of his friends pray each morning that they’ll never have to use their gun.

You see in Israel. Men and women are conscribed to three years of military service and during that time they must carry their artillery. It was an interesting fact. So he was ready to help negotiate something that was less than violent. So now we have lines of women and children on both sides of this file of soldiers and they’re checking paperwork and, well, I, I got my way, but I created a checkpoint.

So women and children got home presuming something [00:20:00] didn’t happen to them on the way home. This was during the second Intifada or the second uprising 25 years ago. One of the other things that I did on this trip was, and many of the volunteers, we. Held our passports outside of ambulances for the U-P-M-R-C or the Red Crescent or Red Cross in order for the ambulances to be able to get to the homes to help, uh, people.

Turns out when you’re locked in your home, uh, a lot of babies are made or domestic violence happens. So we would protect the ambulances and make sure they could get back to the clinic to care for people with our American passports, it was, uh, something we were hoping, uh, would, would create safety.

So I helped babies be [00:21:00] born, essentially, and I look back on that experience and I know in both situations where I created a checkpoint and helped babies get born, I had the best of intention. And there’s a part of my life dedicated to studying impact over intention. Uh, in many ways, I think that maybe our actions are not responsible unless we know how it impacts ourself, others, and the whole.

But I know that those babies are 25 years old now and able to see themselves or their loved ones be blown up. I don’t know what is right or what if I did was right. I do know what I saw.

Thank you.

Marc Moss: Nar Mansour. NAR is a [00:22:00] person who creates spaces for all to be loved and heard in order to stop generational violence. Nar is the daughter of an immigrant. She is a survivor. NAR stands for love. As we were working Jill NA’s story, she shared with me more about what the experience was like for her, how she came to decide to go to Palestine, and some interactions with children there.

That stuck with her.

Jilnar Mansour: When I asked my dad to go to Palestine, well, when the Michigan Peace team approached me about going to Palestine, I was like, you guys are crazy. You guys have a privilege that I don’t have to travel in that way. But I’ve already been to the Middle East and I’m on list when I travel in Lebanon.

I’ve never taken citizenship there, but I’ve been offered it. But I do travel in Lebanon on a Lebanese ID card, and I have tried to cross into the country they call [00:23:00] Israel from Southern Lebanon. This is that bad neighborhood. So this causes concern. You get on a list when you try and cross that border. Oh, and my folks tried a couple of times when I was a child to cross me over the border.

I wasn’t allowed, uh, either way. So finally I convinced myself I wanted to go to Palestine to be able to be of witness to that which I speak about. And so I told my father that I was going, I asked his permission. He never said no. He never said yes. He never said no. So, because he never said no, it was a yes for me.

He said, I, I need to talk with them. And my father is very image oriented. Mm-hmm. And so the woman who was gonna be the base operations person in the US for a trip, my father is not one to speak [00:24:00] Arabic in front of non-A speaking people ever. And that day, for whatever reason, he decided to start to speak to me in Arabic, very rudely.

And so he said, what are you gonna do for my daughter? And she said, well, we have these affinity trainings and you know, we’ll call a lawyer if we need to, if she gets somehow detained over there. And my dad’s just rolling his eyes just, it’s like the peanuts mom talking to him. He’s just like, whatever. And he looked at me and, and then looked at her and he said, in English, there’s nothing you’re gonna do for her.

And then he looked at me and he said,

so he said, my daughter is a soldier of peace. She’ll be helping you. That’s when I received my yes to go. But he remained pretty firm that [00:25:00] I knew. What I was getting into more than they knew what they were putting me into. And I was never confused as a young person that I was gonna go make change. But I think many people that I traveled with thought they were gonna do something.

I just wanted to witness what was going on. So I become a little bit differently versed. Just like in war. There’s war theory, right? There’s ways to go to war. These children pick up on these things and they know their children. So I say, aren’t you afraid of being shot? They said Anyone would hesitate to shoot a child, and by that time, I’m quick enough to be gone.

That’s what they banked on. Another child told me

he witnessed his best friend get shot and blown up. [00:26:00] They picked up a ball, it had gunpowder in it. He touched his friend and the sniper shot and it blew the kid up and that kid wanted to be a freedom fighter. Coming

Marc Moss: up after the break,

Steve Schmidt: I take position on the left side of the doorway. My partner fills in the position of the right side of the doorway, and we fill this space Naturally.

Our guns are drawn because we’re searching this residence. And I yell, sir,

Lauren Tobias: on the sixth day, I, I got a phone call and there was three kids on the other line and they were calling from the Wolf Point Pizza Joint. I was like, hello? They were like, all they said was, we found your dog.

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You can learn about how to pitch your story and get tickets@tellussomething.org. Alright, let’s get back to the stories. You are listening to the Tell Us Something podcast. I’m Marc Moss opening up the second half of this episode of the Tell Us Something podcast. Steve Schmidt is a rookie police officer in Kansas City in 1997.

Steve responds to a seemingly routine recovered property [00:28:00] call that quickly escalates into a tense and dangerous encounter of a burglary in progress. What unfolds is a story of split second decisions, unexpected revelations, and a profound moment that would forever shape his understanding of duty perception, and the weight of a single choice.

Steve calls his story, get down on the ground. Do it now. Thanks for listening.

Steve Schmidt: It was 1997 and I was driving my car in South Kansas City when my radio began to speak to me. 5 44. 5 44 From Banister and Hillcrest. Go ahead. 5 44, respond to the area of a hundred and sixth and wall end on a reported recovered property call. Now I was a very, very young police officer. In fact, two years prior to this call, I graduated from the Kansas City, Missouri Police Academy.

[00:29:00] Nine days after turning 21 years old. I looked like I was about 15 and a half years old, and that I was just wearing a really authentic looking police Halloween costume. So I respond to the area of 106 and wall end where I’m greeted by a family, and we go through the typical, you don’t look old enough to be a cop thing.

They hand me over a duffel bag that they had found at the edge of their property that they thought might’ve been involved with a purse snatching in the area. I looked through the contents of this duffle bag and one thing stands out, and that’s an envelope with a name and address on it. So I check with dispatch and I see if there’s been any burglaries at that particular residence in the last 30 days or so.

They said there hasn’t been. So I said, hold me out at that address. Let me check with the homeowner. So I drive about three or four blocks away to this split level home where the main living residence is all on one level and the bedrooms are above the garages. [00:30:00] And I walk up to this house and I notice that the deadbolt is still in the locked position and the dwarf frame is splintered in towards the inside of the residence, meaning the door has been kicked in and it’s been recently burglar burglarized.

So I call for a second car because we’re gonna have to go inside and search this residence for any burglars that might be left inside. So I call for my second officer and he shows up and we do a procedure called holding the air, which means we have priority for any radio traffic on that particular frequency in case there’s an extreme emergency on the inside.

All the other officers know that we’re searching this house and it’s really important and pretty dangerous. So my officer partner shows up. We walk up to the front door and we open the door and we yell, police, is there anybody here? And I don’t hear any answer. We do a search of the main living area of the house, and I don’t see any [00:31:00] signs of burglary whatsoever, and I’m quite confused the fact that the VCR is still there because back in 1997, VCRs were the probably one of the most common things stolen from burglaries.

We still have the upstairs to search. So I begin to make my way up the flight of stairs and I see a bedroom on my right hand side. I see a bedroom straight ahead, and I see another doorway on the left. I peek into the first room and I see a suspect laying face down on the bed sleeping. The first signs of burglary I see are directly behind this individual where a dresser drawer is pulled out and sort of cockeyed a bit, and there’s some clothes thrown.

I take position on the left side of the doorway. My partner fills in the position of the right side of the doorway, and we fill this space naturally. Our guns are drawn because we’re searching this residence, and I yell, sir, he wakes up, gets up on his hands and knees, deer in the [00:32:00] headlight look, looking at me.

Do you live here? Yes. I don’t really like the way he answered that question, so I ask it again. Do you live here? No. Okay. We need you to get down off the bed now. Get down off the bed. He hops off the backside of the bed and he’s holding a T-shirt in his hand and he starts to say, I need to go outside. I need to go outside.

I need to go outside. He walks to the end of the bed and pretty much the, the width of a queen size bed is all that separates us. And if you imagine. A running back on the one yard line with one second left in the fourth quarter, and they’re given the ball trying to score that touchdown. This guy charges us.

We both have our handguns out. I know that in order for him to reach out and grab my handgun, he has to drop this t-shirt first as he hits us. Both my partner and I holster up [00:33:00] simultaneously and we hit the back wall. We drop to the ground and he starts pushing and kicking. I need to go outside. I need to go outside.

I’m on the radio assist, assist, assist, and I have visions of top gun in my head going, eject, eject, eject. Because all I want to do is get outta there. We fall down the flight of stairs. I’m on top of the suspect, the suspect’s on top of my partner. We land at the base of the stairs, glass breaking from a nearby coffee table.

I am trying to get this individual’s hands behind his back, and I am just not strong enough. My little 15 and a half year old sized body just isn’t gonna do it. I let go of his left arm, I get a handcuff on his right arm, and I just yell, relax, and he just magically goes limp. And I get the handcuffs on. I get on the radio 5 44.

We got one party in custody. The house is still hot. Keep the officers coming because when I yell, assist, assist, assist on the radio, all the officers in the area drop everything they’re doing and they come rushing to [00:34:00] our aid. I run back upstairs to search the other rooms that are upstairs and this is where I see most of the evidence from the burglary.

Nobody else is in the house. I clear the air, I go downstairs. I said, we have one party in custody. Start me in an ambulance because this individual sustained a small cut on his arm from the fall. I begin to try to investigate who this guy is, and I’m asking him all these different questions, and he’s not telling me his name in any way, shape or form.

And in fact, all he keeps saying to me is, put your socks on. Put your socks on. And I’m like, thanks man. I appreciate it. As he’s sitting on the floor, I’m like, thanks, I appreciate it. I got my socks on and I go, are, are you on drugs? And he’s like, yes. And I’m like, okay. That was probably one of the dumbest questions I’ve ever asked anybody.

Like I knew he was on drugs, and I wish I remembered the exact line of questioning I had for this individual because one thing [00:35:00] led to another as I was trying to figure out who he was, and I asked him, what’s your mom’s name? And he goes, Theresa Williams. And I freeze. My partner looks at me and is like, what’s wrong?

I’m like, dude, Theresa Williams, that’s the name that was on the envelope in the duffel bag. Four blocks away that brought me here. This guy lives here and he’s not on drugs. I don’t know about you, but this is the closest I’ve ever come to shooting somebody and my partner goes, if you would’ve shot, I would’ve shot.

I go into the kitchen, I look through some paperwork, and I find some information about who his parents are. I get ahold of his dad, who’s a principal of a local high school in Kansas City, and I call him and I say, there’s been an incident here at the house. You need to come here. Your son’s [00:36:00] okay. We already had an ambulance for the, the, the son, and he was in the back of the ambulance being taken care of.

Dad gets there. And I’m explaining everything that happened that got, that led to me being in his house. And I’m to the point to where we were walking up the steps, I peeked inside and I saw him sleeping in the bed and I asked him, I was like, sir, do you live here? And he said, yes. And I said, I didn’t like the way he said that.

So I asked him again, sir, do you live here? And he said, no. And he goes, hold on a second. Let me tell you a little bit about my son. My son is 33 years old and he has autism. He gets dropped off by a cab every single day. He has a garage door opener in his backpack, and he’s enter, enter the house through the garage door.

He goes into the kitchen, he makes himself a sandwich, and then he goes upstairs and lays down in one of the three bedrooms and goes asleep until we get home. If you ask my son a yes, no question, he will always respond with yes. If you [00:37:00] ask him that question again, he assumes the only reason why you’re asking him that question is the second time is he must have got the the first one wrong.

So he is gonna answer no. So, do you live here? Yes. Do you live here? No. And I’m thinking, how are we supposed to figure this out when I have a burglary suspect in front of me

not pulling the trigger? That day was the best decision I’ve ever made in my entire life. If I would’ve harmed that guy,

I would not be here today.

The headline in the newspaper across the country the next day would’ve been two white officers shoot an unarmed, autistic black man in his own home, and I would not have been able to live with that.

It’s been 28 years, and I think about this guy [00:38:00] often. I have so much love for him and his family, and I hope life has been kind to him. And if he was here today,

I would just wanna say, I’m sorry, I scared you.

Marc Moss: Steve Schmidt, also known as Schmidty, starting from his small town origins in Malta, Montana. Schmidty is dedicated to positive change. With eight years experience as a police officer in Kansas City, Schmidty has developed strong skills in law enforcement and community engagement, all while connecting with thousands of fans as a professional mascot.

Now based here in Missoula, Schmidt Schmidty [00:39:00] leads Drive Safe Missoula, a traffic safety initiative within Missoula Public Health. That’s focused on saving lives through education. His expertise extends nationally where he speaks on influencing behavior and leveraging AI for road safety and public health.

Schmitty stopped by the tell us something studios in the days following the event to share more about his story. Hey, I’m Marc Moss. Thanks for listening to the Tele Something podcast. We just heard from Schmitty, his story he told on June 30th, 2025 at Ogre Park, at Allegiance Field, and I caught up with Schmitty later after the fact.

I, I’m here with him now in the tele something studios. Hey, Schmitty.

Steve Schmidt: Hey Mark. How are you? It’s

Marc Moss: great to be here. Thanks for coming and thanks for initiating this. You, you’ve said you wanted to fill in some gaps.

Steve Schmidt: Yeah. You know, it was interesting going through the entire process of learning how to tell this story, which I think was so important [00:40:00] during that process.

Of course, when you get out there and you’re in front of everybody and you’re trying to stay at a time, you forget a few things, and there were some key elements of my story that I would love to share with people because I think people walked away with a few big question marks in their head about what the story really was all about.

Yeah, and if you just listened to the story, one thing that I failed to mention in front of the group of people was that we believe this individual. Uh, interrupted a burglary in progress and speaking with his dad about his autism and all of that stuff. He didn’t even have the ability to understand that he interrupted a burglary in progress.

So when he arrived home using a garage door opener, he comes into the house and he goes into the kitchen. He makes himself a sandwich and then goes and lays down in one of the bedrooms upstairs and waits for his parents to get home. That when the garage opened is when we believe the actual burglars that were inside the house.

Bolted out the front door, which is why so much of the house was left [00:41:00] undisturbed is they didn’t have that much time to really go through everything. So it was a really interesting situation, of course, being there live and trying to put all this into place and, and then reflecting on it basically over the last 28 years of what that scene was really like and how scary it must have been for that guy, you know, with us being there yelling at him in his bedroom and the fact that if those burglars that were in there, uh, thankfully most burglars aren’t out to really hurt people.

They, they try to go into places when people aren’t there and thankfully they left, but thankfully they didn’t do anything to harm this individual either,

Marc Moss: you know? Yeah. And I’m, I was always so curious, you could have responded to that situation in so many different ways.

Steve Schmidt: Yeah, absolutely. And that’s a scary thing.

You know, I think I may have mentioned like when we were falling down the stairs and I was putting the assist out on the radio and I was yelling, assist, assist, assist. You know, it was images of the top gun movie, eject, [00:42:00] eject, eject that were going through my head because I was so scared at that moment. I mean, I wanted to get out of there and it was weird how I’m like looking back on it that evening why my brain responded that way and how I had those images in my head as we are falling down the stairs and I’m on the radio yelling, assist, assist, thinking that there’s still other people in the house.

Who are going to come out of the house and be shooting at us as we are falling down the stairs and trying to put all of that information together. It was just a really

Marc Moss: crazy moment. Right, and you still didn’t know, had no idea that he wasn’t actually right. Perpetrator?

Steve Schmidt: Yeah. Yeah. We thought he was the burglary suspect that for one reason or another, here he is in the house and he was acting very strange.

So it made sense that if he was on drugs, maybe he stayed behind for one reason or another, stranger things have happened. Then of course, I’m not thinking at that moment when I see this individual laying on the bed that, okay, so if this [00:43:00] is the burglar, then how did the duffel bag with the contents end up four blocks away?

Like, you don’t think about those questions in that moment. Right. Um, but you know, as things settled down and we were asking him questions and trying to figure out who he was, those things are the things that started to pop into my head, which ultimately led me to ask him. What’s your mom’s name? And then when he said his mom’s name, you know, I just froze.

I mean, I was just, you know, sick to my stomach automatically. I mean, this is the closest I’ve ever come to pulling the trigger on somebody. And thankfully our, you know, our training, the constant ongoing training that we have to deal with these situations allowed me the ability at such a young age to make the right decision at that time, to not pull the trigger, which I think was vitally important, you know?

Marc Moss: Yeah. Clearly we never hear this story. Yeah. We always hear the story of, of the cop that made the wrong decision.

Steve Schmidt: Right. That’s what makes the news.

Marc Moss: And how do we get [00:44:00] more of this story? How do these cops who have made the wrong decision, or how the cops that haven’t yet made the wrong decision because they haven’t been placed in this circumstance.

Steve Schmidt: Yeah.

Marc Moss: How do we get them that kind of training or you know, like I, it just blows my mind, you know? And some people, some of the listeners don’t know that my dad was a cop, so I’m very familiar with police training and what’s required and decision making. And in tough circumstances, he was on the police force in cities about the size of Missoula in Ohio near Akron for 40 years as a detective, and also out on the streets and.

It’s not easy work.

Steve Schmidt: Right, right. It’s not easy work in any way, shape or form. And most of the issues that I have seen over the last several decades when it comes to police officers making the bad call or you know, really negative press related to police officers, I always chalk it up to, well, there was a failure in training [00:45:00] that occurred that allowed this to occur the way it did.

And so I wonder how departments really focus on, analyze these situations internally to utilize the worst case scenarios or the worst case situations that are being broadcast maybe nationally. How do they utilize that as an opportunity to learn to make their departments better? And I was really impressed with the Kansas City, Missouri Police Department.

Not that I had anything to ever compare it to, but I was impressed with how well they analyzed situations from any use of force report to any sort of major interaction from citizen complaints. How do we utilize this to make our department better? And obviously, this was a long time ago when I was wearing the uniform and behind the badge, and it was before police officers had body cameras and.

We were just starting to get video cameras in our cars and it was still being recorded on VHS [00:46:00] tapes. And it was interesting how many officers were upset with the fact that they’re gonna be on tape because they would think that, oh, well this is just gonna be utilized to punish me when I do things wrong.

And I always had that concept of. You know what? I’m super excited that this is being recorded because one, I want my supervisors to be able to see all the good that I’m doing because just like the news doesn’t see it, my supervisors didn’t get to see it because they weren’t on every single call with me, right?

They might be on one call a week with me, and I have 28 calls a day that I was going on. So this’ll be an opportunity that they would be able to see the good work that I’m doing and utilize that maybe as a training opportunity for other young officers coming up. But I was really excited about the fact that if I ever made a mistake that it could be recorded, and not only myself, but every other officer had an opportunity to learn from it because we learned most from our mistakes.

And I would’ve a new [00:47:00] recruit student next to me in the car and I’d be like, Hey, what did we learn most from, we learned most from our mistakes? Well, then let’s go mess some stuff up. As long as it doesn’t result in a, you know, a hundred thousand dollars lawsuit and nobody gets injured or killed tonight, then let’s go say the wrong thing.

You know, not intentionally, of course, but let’s appreciate the fact that we said the wrong thing to the wrong person at the wrong time. And now we learn from that. And now we’re gonna have a 30 year career where we’ll never make that same mistake again. Yeah. So let’s mess it up now, learn the most we possibly can and, and make ourselves better, and then let’s share those lessons with everybody else so you don’t have to drive down this same exact road that I drove down to learn these hard lessons.

You know? And so that was the, the culture that was built into our environment in Kansas City that I was so impressed with is that everybody said, Hey, look, let’s, we’re all learning and we’re all gonna make mistakes. Let’s go. And it was.

Marc Moss: Closing out this episode of the Tell Us Something podcast. [00:48:00] What begins as an unlikely friendship for Lauren Tobias with a free spirited dog on the Fort Peck Indian Reservation in northwestern Montana takes a heartbreaking turn when the dog mysteriously disappears.

Days of agonizing searching lead to a devastating discovery, a poignant makeshift funeral, and an outpouring of community support. Just as grief settles in a shocking revelation, sends everything spiraling into an unbelievable twist. Lauren calls her story off leash. Thanks for listening.

Lauren Tobias: I never thought I’d have a dog. I, it’s not that I don’t love dogs, obviously, it’s that I just like the guilt of anyone who’s a dog on her nose. The guilt of just like watching them stare at you in your house, uh, it was just like too much for me. Um, so when I moved to the [00:49:00] Fort Peck reservation in 2018, late 2018, um, my perspective on dog relationship kind of got blown out of the water.

Um, anyone who, um, maybe in the, who’s listening in the audience might know, um, the relationship that people have with dogs there is just very symbiotic and, um, people consider the members of the community. It, from the outside, I might look like, um. It might look like they are just like, don’t have homes, but actually like people take, take care of them and it’s their meaningful parts, parts of the community.

And so when I, I met many, many dogs while I was living there. Um, I spent about four years and, uh, this one particular dog stood out to me. She was a big poofy, white, [00:50:00] fluffy dog, and she had a slap happy personality. I would see her on the streets with like this pack, this like mi um, miscellaneous pack with dogs.

And every time she saw me, she would like jump on me and like greet me. And we had this like, developing relationship over the course of months. And she would do this thing where I swear she like, knew that she could make people laugh. Um, direct eye contact and like a foot long tongue, just like. Hanging out of her mouth.

And, um, she would like dip her shoulder butt would just flop down to the floor like a seal’s tail. And then she would just like get on her belly to ask for belly rubs and she would just like still be making eye contact with you. And so that’s how I like met her. And, um, eventually she kind of started following me, like in town and we sort of developed a courtship and after a couple months decided to make it official, [00:51:00] which meant that I got her vaccinated and slapped a collar on her.

Um, and a week later she told me that she was pregnant and I was not the father. And so, um, that was our first experience together. So my whole thing about the guilt and the dogs, um, we had this very fluid relationship. And we never went there just for the record. Um, um, so she, we, we had this like, come and go.

She would just sort of like sit on my porch all day and she would kinda like knock on the door. She wanted to come in in the house, she’d knock on the door if she wanted to leave, she’d wander around all day. So, um, it was kind of perfect, like we just had developed trust and then through like the raising of her babies, like we developed even more of like this really [00:52:00] natural, beautiful trust.

And, um, she was like my best friend. It sounds like cliche, but it was true. Everyone in town that knew me knew that she was my dog. And um, so yeah, we spent probably about a year that she was kind of like with me. Um, and so because of our, the nature of our relationship, when she didn’t show up home one night, I didn’t really think very much of it.

Um, and then two nights went by and I was like, you know, she’s done this before, you know, it’s probably no big deal. Um, three nights, four nights go by and I’m like, okay. Like I let her out of the house with a collar, without a collar on because I like didn’t always put a collar on her when she was, um, leaving the house.

’cause we had just kind of come in and out. And so I was like, she probably got lost. And, um, I hung up posters all over Wolf Point. Those of you who know Wolf Point, probably like, didn’t take that long to cover the town. It’s pretty small, small town. But um, on the sixth [00:53:00] day I got a phone call and, uh, it was from, there were three kids on the other line and they were calling from the Wolf Point Pizza joint, uh, like the, the, the dial phone there.

And they were like, I was like, hello? Uh, they were like, all they said was, we found your dog. And I was like, oh my God. Like, where can I come get her? Like, yes, thank you so much. Like, I’ll be right there. And I was just met with silence on the other line, and this was like literally the first time throughout the entire six days where I was like, like maybe something’s wrong.

Like maybe she’s, something happened to her. I never considered it. She grew up around cars and she was always really good around, you know, cars and stuff. So I never thought that that was like a possibility. So I run across town, I drive across town, I pick them up and they, I’d ask them to show me where she was.[00:54:00]

And when we start walking up to the train tracks, I was like, like, oh my God. Like, no way. Um, so I walk up and I see, I walk up and I see her body deflated and, and lifeless and just like formed to the, uh, reels of the track. And yeah, sorry, that was really graphic. Um, so the kids are still with me and they’re like, this is the most interesting thing that’s happened to us all day.

We just located your dead dog off of a missing poster sign. So we’re like, here for this. And I was like, can you please leave me for a second? And so they did. And they left me for like, you know, 10 minutes. And then I saw them circling back and I was like, okay, I think we’re in this. And I’m like, okay, if I was, I, you know, if I’m remembering myself as a child and I had done that, like sleuthing, like I’d probably be pretty invested too.

So I was like, all right, you can come with me. And they were like, what are you gonna do? I’m like, [00:55:00] I don’t know. Do you have any ideas? Never been in the situation before. So, um, they came with me. I went back to my house, I grabbed a bathrobe, went back to the train tracks. I wrapped her up 65 pounds, picked her up, put her in my trunk.

Uh, did the only thing I could think to, you know, thank the kids. Went to the McDonald’s drive through, dog still in the back of my trunk. Um, and, and then I took them home and I go home. And now I’m like alone for the first time making phone calls. Uh, and I’m getting text messages from people I didn’t even tell, sending their condolences.

Um, and I made a, an appointment the next morning with the Wolf Point Crematorium. They said they’d make an exception and Cree made a dog, um, the next day. So my friends who live downstairs, three friends came upstairs. They were devastated because they like, loved her too. They knew her spirit. Um, [00:56:00] and we had like probably the most beautiful funeral and ceremony that I’ve ever been to.

We took her body out of the trunk, we put it on her bed, uh, outside in like this kind of mud room. And we, um, put her toys around her, her treats, sweet grass, sage. They, they kind of burned sage and we were drinking whiskey, laughing, uh, crying. And there was like also this moment I wanted to stamp her paw print.

I was like, which arm am I gonna get tattooed? Um, I wanted to stamp her paw print on something like sentimental. The closest thing I could find was my ukulele. I can’t get into that side quest right now. But basically it was like some ped tremors, um, a uh, nail polish, navy blue nail polish. And my friend’s CSI knowledge about like rolling it, which like was not intuitive at all.

It was like a mess. But it gave us like the first belly laugh of, of like the 24 hours. And, um, so I went to [00:57:00] bed, got a really terrible night’s sleep. And I wake up the next morning, I’m flipping pancakes. I’m still, I’m still crying. And, um, I, it’s the first thing I’ve eaten since the McDonald’s the day before at like 3:00 PM and I get a text message on my phone and I see a picture.

Someone forwards me a Facebook post and I see a picture of my dog. Um, I know I’ve lost credibility of saying this, but it was her, the, the picture. I’m like, why, why is someone sending me this? I look at the caption and it says, and anyone know who sweet dog this is? Like, she showed up on my porch today. I look at the timestamp.

It was yesterday, so I’m like, maybe it’s an old picture. I don’t know. And so I message her, find her address. Then my friend mush from the night before the funeral comes banging on my door and it’s like, have you seen [00:58:00] this? Her text message, like she just got it forwarded to you. And, and so I’m like, shut the fuck up.

Like, I don’t know, like, please don’t get my hopes out. We’re like, drive. So I’d like make her get in the car with me. We drive six miles to get to this person’s house and we open the door out. Comes running my actual dog.

This is Fluffer.

Um, she’s seven years old now, and we’re a pet therapy team. Um, uh, yeah. And so she, nothing happened. She was just pumped. She was like, wow, haven’t seen you in a week. Like, what’s up? Like, I’ve been through a lot. Like, whew. She didn’t like look like she lost weight because she just, you know. [00:59:00] She’s chilling.

She probably made some friends. And so anyway, the the de ma of this story is, um, I still have the dog in my closet, you know?

Um, yeah. So the appointment to get her cremated was like in an hour. And so I did the best thing I could do. I took real fluffer in the rod daylight. It was April. So the ground was really hard. I tried, I promise I did my best. I know this is not environmentally friendly, but I like took a, the bathrobe, the dog dug a shallow grave in the hills of Wolf Point.

Um, and yeah, I, that was it. And then, um, I invited the kids to come on an adventure with Fluffy and I, and they got to meet her and hear the things I was telling about. And, um. [01:00:00] Yeah, now we’re just living life and that’s, that’s my story of Lost and Found. So thank you.

Marc Moss: Closing out her evening. Tonight is Lauren Tobias. When Lauren moved to Montana from the suburbs of New York City nine years ago, in search of some peace and quiet she never could have expected she’d be making home here. She loved visiting the many nooks and crannies of Montana via highways, gravel, tire, track, roads, hiking trails, bike paths, and her favorite and eight cedar plane.

During her time here, she’s been called to infinitely learn from how to recognize what’s under the hood of her car to self-expression through photography, to embracing a queer identity, to picking up beer league, ice hockey in her thirties. Those last two things [01:01:00] are related only by pure coincidence she assures me.

Lauren has found more life here than she could have ever imagined. She spent COV living on the Fort Peck Indian Reservation, learning a more holistic history of our country and about the incredible culture and decolonization efforts of indigenous nations. You are listening to the Tell Us Something podcast.

I’m Marc Moss. Remember that the next tell us something event is October 7th. You can learn about how to pitch your story and get tickets@tellussomething.org. You can find us on Instagram, Facebook, YouTube, and Blue Sky and visit Tell us something.org to explore 14 years of our story archives and let me know what you thought of the new format.

You can email me at info@tellussomething.org to share your [01:02:00] thoughts.

Welcome to the Tele Something podcast. I’m your host, Marc Moss, founder and executive director of Tele something. The next tele something event is October 7th, 2025. The theme is, welcome the Wild Side. You can learn about how to pitch your story and get tickets@tellussomething.org. This week on the podcast, I asked him if he wanted to open up and he jumped at it.

He was thrilled and that was shocking to me and also terrifying and I’m, I wish that maybe I had been a bit more terrified. Here I am in a refugee camp in Palestine with four other Americans, and what we’re doing is we’re witnessing the let up of a curfew. Curfew is something that was happening then and is still happening now, where people are not able to leave their home for [01:03:00] hours or.

Days at a time. Four storytellers share their true personal story on the theme. Lost and found. I take position on the left side of the doorway. My partner fills in the position of the right side of the doorway, and we fill this space naturally. Our guns are drawn because we’re searching this residence and I yell, sir, on the sixth day, I, I got a phone call and there was three kids on the other line and they were calling from the Wolf Point Pizza Joint.

I was like, hello? They were like, all they said was, we found your dog. Their stories were recorded. Live in person on June 30th, 2025 at Ogren Park at Allegiance Field in Missoula, Montana. Closing out Pride Month. On this episode of the podcast, we’re trying out something a little different. Tell us something.

Board member Beth Ann Osteen generously offered to bring in a professional sound engineer to better capture the feeling of a live event. We’re going to try to keep the essence of [01:04:00] the live evening by using the storyteller introductions as I introduce the storytellers the night of the event. As usual, I’ll give a little teaser the story before the storyteller shares their story.

We’d love to hear from you what you think. Shoot me an email and let me know how you like the new format. You can email me at info@tellussomething.org. Love it, hate it. Let me know what you think. Thanks. Huge thanks. Goes out to the Greater Montana Foundation who encourages communication on issues, trends, and values of importance to Montanans.

We are so grateful to the Greater Montana Foundation for their support to make the June event possible. Tell us something acknowledges that this land where Ogre Park, uh, ogre Park now stands is the ancestral territory of the Salish and Kalispell peoples who have stewarded it for generations.

Summertime is traditionally the [01:05:00] prime time for indigenous peoples to gather various berries and roots that are in season while the bitter bitterroot are already harvested. Now is the time for processing and storing any remaining bitterroot that have been gathered. Another staple Camus bulbs are being dug and prepared for storage.

Huckleberry’s, serviceberries, and choke cherries are ripening and being harvested for immediate consumption and for drying to preserve in winter. We take this moment to honor its land and the native people and the stories that they share with us to honor them, you can support the ongoing efforts of the Confederated Salish and Kni tribes by learning about their cultural initiatives and advocating for indigenous rights.

More information can be found@kskt.org. Woo.

Tell us something. Stories sometimes have adult themes. Storytellers sometimes use adult language. Please take care of yourselves from a [01:06:00] childhood crush to a series of unexpected turns on Vada being shares her story, following her lifelong journey of self-discovery and the difficult choices she made along the way.

Listen to an vada as she navigates a societal expectations, personal struggles, and ultimately finds her true self amidst unforeseen losses. Onda calls her story. Skittles. Thanks for listening.

Since I was a little girl, I knew that I liked girls, and when I thought to do this, a picture of myself came to my mind At Girl Scout Camp, I’m in Pocahontas, hiking boots and shorts, a flannel and a bucket hat. It was pretty cringey, but still one of my favorite things to wear.

Um, when [01:07:00] I was about seventh grade, I met this girl. She was throwing Skittles at me as on the bus, and she became one of the dearest loves of my life. Uh, we spent three years together. Having a blast. Uh, and early on in that time, when we were about 12, we were at a party, at a friend’s house. It wasn’t really our age party.

Her brother was throwing one, and there I met a man and his name was not necessary, but for the sake of the story, Brad. So at that party, he gets a camera and he interviews me about my interest in girls. And it was a very inappropriate situation. He was much older than I was, but I didn’t understand where that was gonna go.

About three years later we’re 15 years old. Sarah and I and Rascally, we’ve, we started drinking and, [01:08:00] uh, really kind of becoming,

oh, chaotic little messes really. And, uh, hard to control. So this guy appears in my life again and I. He offers to, you know, take care of me, uh, and wanted me to move in. I thought, I am a nut for a, I should probably take him up on this, uh, or I’m, it’s gonna probably go pretty poorly for me. I moved in with him and I thought, this is gonna be fine.

I’m gonna have a 1950 style life and, uh, it’s just gonna be, you know, beautiful blue birds and sunshine all the time. And it was nothing like that at all. Uh, it was very chaotic. It was violent and difficult for me to understand from my young perspective. And what was more [01:09:00] difficult for me was that I found out over those years that he was not okay with the fact that I liked girls, which was pretty difficult for me because then I had to accept that.

I was going to be in this relationship forever without that opportunity to ever, uh, have that experience again. Uh, my 21st birthday came around and all I wanted for that was to go to the strip club, and we did. It was great. I drank a ton, got to go up on the stage, uh, and it was a blast. She invited me home.

I was thinking that’s what was gonna happen. And I got down off the stage and Brad says, we need to go. And I get in the car and I was still thinking, this is great. And then I found out he did not, he did not think it was as great as I did at all. Uh, in fact, he had seen the way I looked at her and realized I would never look at him that way.[01:10:00]

And so for about a year after that, things got much worse and I spent. All that time trying to convince him that I loved him and thought he was attractive. But now I really wonder whether I was trying to convince myself of that or not. And so, look at the divorce. I lost my son in that as well. And I don’t go too deeply because that’s its whole story in its own.

But it broke me. It was hard. I was just barely 21 and I went rampant. I ended up pregnant again. And, uh, ironically or not, I had found out two weeks after breaking up with the guy, um, and we broke up because I was making out with a girl at the MMA fights. Uh, you know, if I [01:11:00] just learned from my lessons. So.

Two years go by. I have my daughter and I, there’s a girl I was very interested in that time, but didn’t pursue it. And then I almost dated another woman. But this man came into my life and my daughter called her dad. And I had not had examples of how to have a, a female female relationship in my life. So it didn’t even seem possible to be able to introduce that.

I went back into this heterosexual relationship, uh, with a guy and I spent about eight years with him. And because of the effects from the first relationship, he had no idea about my interest in girls. Not at all. Uh, we got married and I felt pretty secure. So one day I thought, you [01:12:00] know. I’m gonna have to say something or I’m not gonna make it.

I was losing myself completely, and I did, and I asked him if he wanted to open up and he jumped at it. He was thrilled. And that was shocking to me and also terrifying. And I’m, I wish that maybe I had been a bit more terrified because I spent about two years fielding a lot of text messages, asking if it was okay that he had sent pictures to them.

Uh, it was crazy and I, I lost my mind. I was sad. Three kids and a husband, a second one, and I didn’t have what I was realizing I needed.

So two years go by and we meet a girl and about one month [01:13:00] in. Uh, he left me for her, which was not what I was expecting when I opened up the relationship at all. I, I, I broke completely after that. Like I found out I was getting a divorce very suddenly and I couldn’t pull myself together. I didn’t expect to lose two relationships.

I didn’t expect to have kids like scattered, uh, amongst these different homes. I, I lost everything that mattered to me. Everything that I thought defined who I was as a good lady, my, my kids, my husband, my dog, my kid, my things. All of that was gone in all of this, and that is its own long story about how it all got lost, but.[01:14:00]

What I found when I lost everything was that I had covered up everything that allowed me to glow with all of these things that people said I needed to have, to be able to be okay.

So when I, uh, pardon me,

when I came back here to Missoula after what felt like an odyssey, but was really just a year, I ended up at the Tell Us Something event coming home, and it, it was very literal for me to come home to Montana, but then also to hear all these stories. It was pride Month that I. Could identify with everything that people were saying.

And I spent this last [01:15:00] year thinking about it all and thought about everything that I had applied to myself and questioned whether it did actually apply to me, whether I agreed with the people who’d said it, whether I agreed with the statements and I didn’t. I said it, and here I am now. And what I found was that once I lost everything, I found myself.

I must apologize to Anada for mispronouncing her name when I introduced her the night of the show. You’ll hear me do that here, Anada. I’m so sorry. Thank you for your grace. Avada. Being Avada was [01:16:00] blessed with a creative Western spirit she was born in and has lived in Missoula for 35, up for 37 years.

She’s keenly aware of the vast history of all the lands we walk and is deeply grateful to walk them. She picked magical Missoula as her home after spending a year living off grid near the garden of the Gods in Colorado. In our next story, NAR Mansour, a Lebanese American volunteer in the volatile heart of a Palestinian refugee camp confronts the harrowing realities of a strict curfew set by the Israeli Defense forces.

Amidst chaos and desperation, she recounts an extraordinary act of quick thinking and unexpected alliance leading to a moment where vulnerability becomes a powerful tool for survival. Listen to Zulnar share the difficult choices that she made and the blurred lines of impact versus intention in a story that she calls Who made your breakfast?[01:17:00]

Thanks for listening.

Here I am in a refugee camp in Palestine with four other Americans, and what we’re doing is we’re witnessing the let up of a curfew. Curfew is something that was happening then and is still happening now, where people are. Not able to leave their home for hours or days at a time. At this point, I think people were on curfew for 11 or 12 days.

And so we were watching people running from one direction to the other, trying to exchange goods. There were no new resources or no new resources in the area, [01:18:00] uh, often and at that time ever. So this would be like someone running to the next village to exchange rice for a flower that had not been peed on by the Israeli Defense Force or the IDF.

So we have people in different villages and, uh, we’re witnessing this chaos. Nah, we hear. Next is Yaha Yan and the soldiers are screaming you animals, you animals. They’re going to stop the curfew. It’s only been a matter of an hours. So there’s been a security breach and now the soldiers want people to go in to whatever home, a stranger’s home, and they’re being called animals so quickly.

Well, in advance of this trip, we had done some affinity training. This was the Michigan Peace team. They had recruited me [01:19:00] to travel to Palestine after seeing me speak about the conflict there for so many years, putting on human rights conferences at law schools. And I thought they were wild for recruiting me.

Um, I had spent time in southern Lebanon, a year and a half under occupation by the Israeli Defense Force. And, um, the odds were differently against me traveling in this. But I definitely thought it was time for me to see what it was I spoke about and what I studied about. So I decided to go, and here I am, we also had done this affinity training on how to make quick decisions, um, in tricky situations.

So I huddled, uh, the people together and I said, it’s, we gotta get the women and children home back to their village. [01:20:00] Everybody quickly said, yeah, that sounds like a great idea. And one guy that had, uh, recruited me the hardest and um, thought that there’d be some rom-com love story of him having me in his life and, uh, traveling to Palestine with a Middle Eastern woman.

So he was kind of against it. He wasn’t in charge and whatever, uh, democratically I won. And this is the story about me creating a checkpoint in the land that they call Israel or Palestine. I quickly turned and found a woman of beauty and knew that I needed her help. And so I grabbed this woman with long red hair from Brooklyn and said, come with me.

And she, she came with me. And as we walked over towards the soldier, I asked her to ask the soldier, uh, who made his breakfast, [01:21:00] and she did. And he conveniently answered his truth, which was that his mother made his breakfast. It was easy to slip it to a space of vulnerability and humanity with him. And in that conversation, he let us know that him and most of his friends pray each morning that they’ll never have to use their gun.

You see in Israel. Men and women are conscribed to three years of military service and during that time they must carry their artillery. It was an interesting fact. So he was ready to help negotiate something that was less than violent. So now we have lines of women and children on both sides of this file of soldiers and they’re checking paperwork and, well, I, I got my way, but I created a checkpoint.

So women and children got home [01:22:00] presuming something didn’t happen to them on the way home. This was during the second Intifada or the second uprising 25 years ago. One of the other things that I did on this trip was, and many of the volunteers, we. Held our passports outside of ambulances for the U-P-M-R-C or the Red Crescent or Red Cross in order for the ambulances to be able to get to the homes to help, uh, people.

Turns out when you’re locked in your home, uh, a lot of babies are made or domestic violence happens. So we would protect the ambulances and make sure they could get back to the clinic to care for people with our American passports, it was, uh, something we were hoping, uh, would, would create safety.

So I helped [01:23:00] babies be born, essentially, and I look back on that experience and I know in both situations where I created a checkpoint and helped babies get born, I had the best of intention. And there’s a part of my life dedicated to studying impact over intention. Uh, in many ways, I think that maybe our actions are not responsible unless we know how it impacts ourself, others, and the whole.

But I know that those babies are 25 years old now and able to see themselves or their loved ones be blown up. I don’t know what is right or what if I did was right. I do know what I saw.

Thank you.

Nar Mansour. [01:24:00] NAR is a person who creates spaces for all to be loved and heard in order to stop generational violence. Nar is the daughter of an immigrant. She is a survivor. NAR stands for love. As we were working Jill NA’s story, she shared with me more about what the experience was like for her, how she came to decide to go to Palestine, and some interactions with children there.

That stuck with her. When I asked my dad to go to Palestine, well, when the Michigan Peace team approached me about going to Palestine, I was like, you guys are crazy. You guys have a privilege that I don’t have to travel in that way. But I’ve already been to the Middle East and I’m on list when I travel in Lebanon.

I’ve never taken citizenship there, but I’ve been offered it. But I do travel in Lebanon on a Lebanese ID card, and I have tried to cross [01:25:00] into the country they call Israel from Southern Lebanon. This is that bad neighborhood. So this causes concern. You get on a list when you try and cross that border. Oh, and my folks tried a couple of times when I was a child to cross me over the border.

I wasn’t allowed, uh, either way. So finally I convinced myself I wanted to go to Palestine to be able to be of witness to that which I speak about. And so I told my father that I was going, I asked his permission. He never said no. He never said yes. He never said no. So, because he never said no, it was a yes for me.

He said, I, I need to talk with them. And my father is very image oriented. Mm-hmm. And so the woman who was gonna be the base operations person in the US for a trip, my father is [01:26:00] not one to speak Arabic in front of non-A speaking people ever. And that day, for whatever reason, he decided to start to speak to me in Arabic, very rudely.

And so he said, what are you gonna do for my daughter? And she said, well, we have these affinity trainings and you know, we’ll call a lawyer if we need to, if she gets somehow detained over there. And my dad’s just rolling his eyes just, it’s like the peanuts mom talking to him. He’s just like, whatever. And he looked at me and, and then looked at her and he said, in English, there’s nothing you’re gonna do for her.

And then he looked at me and he said,

so he said, my daughter is a soldier of peace. She’ll be helping you. That’s when I received my yes to go. But he remained pretty firm that [01:27:00] I knew. What I was getting into more than they knew what they were putting me into. And I was never confused as a young person that I was gonna go make change. But I think many people that I traveled with thought they were gonna do something.

I just wanted to witness what was going on. So I become a little bit differently versed. Just like in war. There’s war theory, right? There’s ways to go to war. These children pick up on these things and they know their children. So I say, aren’t you afraid of being shot? They said Anyone would hesitate to shoot a child, and by that time, I’m quick enough to be gone.

That’s what they banked on. Another child told me

he witnessed his best friend [01:28:00] get shot and blown up. They picked up a ball, it had gunpowder in it. He touched his friend and the sniper shot and it blew the kid up and that kid wanted to be a freedom fighter. Coming up after the break, I take position on the left side of the doorway. My partner fills in the position of the right side of the doorway, and we fill this space Naturally.

Our guns are drawn because we’re searching this residence. And I yell, sir, on the sixth day, I, I got a phone call and there was three kids on the other line and they were calling from the Wolf Point Pizza Joint. I was like, hello? They were like, all they said was, we found your dog. That’s next on the Tell Us Something podcast.

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You can learn about how to pitch your story and get tickets@tellussomething.org. Alright, let’s get back to the stories. You are listening to the Tell Us Something podcast. I’m Marc Moss opening up the second half of this episode of the Tell Us Something podcast. Steve Schmidt is a rookie police officer in Kansas City in 1997.

Steve responds to a seemingly [01:30:00] routine recovered property call that quickly escalates into a tense and dangerous encounter of a burglary in progress. What unfolds is a story of split second decisions, unexpected revelations, and a profound moment that would forever shape his understanding of duty perception, and the weight of a single choice.

Steve calls his story, get down on the ground. Do it now. Thanks for listening.

It was 1997 and I was driving my car in South Kansas City when my radio began to speak to me. 5 44. 5 44 From Banister and Hillcrest. Go ahead. 5 44, respond to the area of a hundred and sixth and wall end on a reported recovered property call. Now I was a very, very young police officer. In fact, two years prior to this call, I graduated from the Kansas City, Missouri [01:31:00] Police Academy.

Nine days after turning 21 years old. I looked like I was about 15 and a half years old, and that I was just wearing a really authentic looking police Halloween costume. So I respond to the area of 106 and wall end where I’m greeted by a family, and we go through the typical, you don’t look old enough to be a cop thing.

They hand me over a duffel bag that they had found at the edge of their property that they thought might’ve been involved with a purse snatching in the area. I looked through the contents of this duffle bag and one thing stands out, and that’s an envelope with a name and address on it. So I check with dispatch and I see if there’s been any burglaries at that particular residence in the last 30 days or so.

They said there hasn’t been. So I said, hold me out at that address. Let me check with the homeowner. So I drive about three or four blocks away to this split level home where the main living residence is all on one level and the bedrooms are above [01:32:00] the garages. And I walk up to this house and I notice that the deadbolt is still in the locked position and the dwarf frame is splintered in towards the inside of the residence, meaning the door has been kicked in and it’s been recently burglar burglarized.

So I call for a second car because we’re gonna have to go inside and search this residence for any burglars that might be left inside. So I call for my second officer and he shows up and we do a procedure called holding the air, which means we have priority for any radio traffic on that particular frequency in case there’s an extreme emergency on the inside.

All the other officers know that we’re searching this house and it’s really important and pretty dangerous. So my officer partner shows up. We walk up to the front door and we open the door and we yell, police, is there anybody here? And I don’t hear any answer. We do a search of the main living area of the house, [01:33:00] and I don’t see any signs of burglary whatsoever, and I’m quite confused the fact that the VCR is still there because back in 1997, VCRs were the probably one of the most common things stolen from burglaries.

We still have the upstairs to search. So I begin to make my way up the flight of stairs and I see a bedroom on my right hand side. I see a bedroom straight ahead, and I see another doorway on the left. I peek into the first room and I see a suspect laying face down on the bed sleeping. The first signs of burglary I see are directly behind this individual where a dresser drawer is pulled out and sort of cockeyed a bit, and there’s some clothes thrown.

I take position on the left side of the doorway. My partner fills in the position of the right side of the doorway, and we fill this space naturally. Our guns are drawn because we’re searching this residence, and I yell, sir, he wakes up, gets up on his [01:34:00] hands and knees, deer in the headlight look, looking at me.

Do you live here? Yes. I don’t really like the way he answered that question, so I ask it again. Do you live here? No. Okay. We need you to get down off the bed now. Get down off the bed. He hops off the backside of the bed and he’s holding a T-shirt in his hand and he starts to say, I need to go outside. I need to go outside.

I need to go outside. He walks to the end of the bed and pretty much the, the width of a queen size bed is all that separates us. And if you imagine. A running back on the one yard line with one second left in the fourth quarter, and they’re given the ball trying to score that touchdown. This guy charges us.

We both have our handguns out. I know that in order for him to reach out and grab my handgun, he has to drop this t-shirt first as he hits us. Both my partner and I [01:35:00] holster up simultaneously and we hit the back wall. We drop to the ground and he starts pushing and kicking. I need to go outside. I need to go outside.

I’m on the radio assist, assist, assist, and I have visions of top gun in my head going, eject, eject, eject. Because all I want to do is get outta there. We fall down the flight of stairs. I’m on top of the suspect, the suspect’s on top of my partner. We land at the base of the stairs, glass breaking from a nearby coffee table.

I am trying to get this individual’s hands behind his back, and I am just not strong enough. My little 15 and a half year old sized body just isn’t gonna do it. I let go of his left arm, I get a handcuff on his right arm, and I just yell, relax, and he just magically goes limp. And I get the handcuffs on. I get on the radio 5 44.

We got one party in custody. The house is still hot. Keep the officers coming because when I yell, assist, assist, assist on the radio, all the officers in the area drop everything they’re [01:36:00] doing and they come rushing to our aid. I run back upstairs to search the other rooms that are upstairs and this is where I see most of the evidence from the burglary.

Nobody else is in the house. I clear the air, I go downstairs. I said, we have one party in custody. Start me in an ambulance because this individual sustained a small cut on his arm from the fall. I begin to try to investigate who this guy is, and I’m asking him all these different questions, and he’s not telling me his name in any way, shape or form.

And in fact, all he keeps saying to me is, put your socks on. Put your socks on. And I’m like, thanks man. I appreciate it. As he’s sitting on the floor, I’m like, thanks, I appreciate it. I got my socks on and I go, are, are you on drugs? And he’s like, yes. And I’m like, okay. That was probably one of the dumbest questions I’ve ever asked anybody.

Like I knew he was on drugs, and I wish I remembered the exact line of questioning I had for this individual [01:37:00] because one thing led to another as I was trying to figure out who he was, and I asked him, what’s your mom’s name? And he goes, Theresa Williams. And I freeze. My partner looks at me and is like, what’s wrong?

I’m like, dude, Theresa Williams, that’s the name that was on the envelope in the duffel bag. Four blocks away that brought me here. This guy lives here and he’s not on drugs. I don’t know about you, but this is the closest I’ve ever come to shooting somebody and my partner goes, if you would’ve shot, I would’ve shot.

I go into the kitchen, I look through some paperwork, and I find some information about who his parents are. I get ahold of his dad, who’s a principal of a local high school in Kansas City, and I call him and I say, there’s been an incident here at the house. [01:38:00] You need to come here. Your son’s okay. We already had an ambulance for the, the, the son, and he was in the back of the ambulance being taken care of.

Dad gets there. And I’m explaining everything that happened that got, that led to me being in his house. And I’m to the point to where we were walking up the steps, I peeked inside and I saw him sleeping in the bed and I asked him, I was like, sir, do you live here? And he said, yes. And I said, I didn’t like the way he said that.

So I asked him again, sir, do you live here? And he said, no. And he goes, hold on a second. Let me tell you a little bit about my son. My son is 33 years old and he has autism. He gets dropped off by a cab every single day. He has a garage door opener in his backpack, and he’s enter, enter the house through the garage door.

He goes into the kitchen, he makes himself a sandwich, and then he goes upstairs and lays down in one of the three bedrooms and goes asleep until we get home. If you ask my son a yes, no question, he will always respond [01:39:00] with yes. If you ask him that question again, he assumes the only reason why you’re asking him that question is the second time is he must have got the the first one wrong.

So he is gonna answer no. So, do you live here? Yes. Do you live here? No. And I’m thinking, how are we supposed to figure this out when I have a burglary suspect in front of me

not pulling the trigger? That day was the best decision I’ve ever made in my entire life. If I would’ve harmed that guy,

I would not be here today.

The headline in the newspaper across the country the next day would’ve been two white officers shoot an unarmed, autistic black man in his own home, and I would not have been able to live with that.

It’s been 28 years, and I think [01:40:00] about this guy often. I have so much love for him and his family, and I hope life has been kind to him. And if he was here today,

I would just wanna say, I’m sorry, I scared you.

Steve Schmidt, also known as Schmidty, starting from his small town origins in Malta, Montana. Schmidty is dedicated to positive change. With eight years experience as a police officer in Kansas City, Schmidty has developed strong skills in law enforcement and community engagement, all while connecting with thousands of fans as a professional mascot.

Now based here in [01:41:00] Missoula, Schmidt Schmidty leads Drive Safe Missoula, a traffic safety initiative within Missoula Public Health. That’s focused on saving lives through education. His expertise extends nationally where he speaks on influencing behavior and leveraging AI for road safety and public health.

Schmitty stopped by the tell us something studios in the days following the event to share more about his story. Hey, I’m Marc Moss. Thanks for listening to the Tele Something podcast. We just heard from Schmitty, his story he told on June 30th, 2025 at Ogre Park, at Allegiance Field, and I caught up with Schmitty later after the fact.

I, I’m here with him now in the tele something studios. Hey, Schmitty. Hey Mark. How are you? It’s great to be here. Thanks for coming and thanks for initiating this. You, you’ve said you wanted to fill in some gaps. Yeah. You know, it was interesting going through the entire process of learning how to tell this story, which I [01:42:00] think was so important during that process.

Of course, when you get out there and you’re in front of everybody and you’re trying to stay at a time, you forget a few things, and there were some key elements of my story that I would love to share with people because I think people walked away with a few big question marks in their head about what the story really was all about.

Yeah, and if you just listened to the story, one thing that I failed to mention in front of the group of people was that we believe this individual. Uh, interrupted a burglary in progress and speaking with his dad about his autism and all of that stuff. He didn’t even have the ability to understand that he interrupted a burglary in progress.

So when he arrived home using a garage door opener, he comes into the house and he goes into the kitchen. He makes himself a sandwich and then goes and lays down in one of the bedrooms upstairs and waits for his parents to get home. That when the garage opened is when we believe the actual burglars that were inside the house.

Bolted out the front door, which is why so [01:43:00] much of the house was left undisturbed is they didn’t have that much time to really go through everything. So it was a really interesting situation, of course, being there live and trying to put all this into place and, and then reflecting on it basically over the last 28 years of what that scene was really like and how scary it must have been for that guy, you know, with us being there yelling at him in his bedroom and the fact that if those burglars that were in there, uh, thankfully most burglars aren’t out to really hurt people.

They, they try to go into places when people aren’t there and thankfully they left, but thankfully they didn’t do anything to harm this individual either, you know? Yeah. And I’m, I was always so curious, you could have responded to that situation in so many different ways. Yeah, absolutely. And that’s a scary thing.

You know, I think I may have mentioned like when we were falling down the stairs and I was putting the assist out on the radio and I was yelling, assist, assist, assist. You know, it was images of [01:44:00] the top gun movie, eject, eject, eject that were going through my head because I was so scared at that moment. I mean, I wanted to get out of there and it was weird how I’m like looking back on it that evening why my brain responded that way and how I had those images in my head as we are falling down the stairs and I’m on the radio yelling, assist, assist, thinking that there’s still other people in the house.

Who are going to come out of the house and be shooting at us as we are falling down the stairs and trying to put all of that information together. It was just a really crazy moment. Right, and you still didn’t know, had no idea that he wasn’t actually right. Perpetrator? Yeah. Yeah. We thought he was the burglary suspect that for one reason or another, here he is in the house and he was acting very strange.

So it made sense that if he was on drugs, maybe he stayed behind for one reason or another, stranger things have happened. Then of course, I’m not thinking at that moment when I see this individual laying on the bed that, [01:45:00] okay, so if this is the burglar, then how did the duffel bag with the contents end up four blocks away?

Like, you don’t think about those questions in that moment. Right. Um, but you know, as things settled down and we were asking him questions and trying to figure out who he was, those things are the things that started to pop into my head, which ultimately led me to ask him. What’s your mom’s name? And then when he said his mom’s name, you know, I just froze.

I mean, I was just, you know, sick to my stomach automatically. I mean, this is the closest I’ve ever come to pulling the trigger on somebody. And thankfully our, you know, our training, the constant ongoing training that we have to deal with these situations allowed me the ability at such a young age to make the right decision at that time, to not pull the trigger, which I think was vitally important, you know?

Yeah. Clearly we never hear this story. Yeah. We always hear the story of, of the cop that made the wrong decision. Right. That’s what makes the news. And [01:46:00] how do we get more of this story? How do these cops who have made the wrong decision, or how the cops that haven’t yet made the wrong decision because they haven’t been placed in this circumstance.

Yeah. How do we get them that kind of training or you know, like I, it just blows my mind, you know? And some people, some of the listeners don’t know that my dad was a cop, so I’m very familiar with police training and what’s required and decision making. And in tough circumstances, he was on the police force in cities about the size of Missoula in Ohio near Akron for 40 years as a detective, and also out on the streets and.

It’s not easy work. Right, right. It’s not easy work in any way, shape or form. And most of the issues that I have seen over the last several decades when it comes to police officers making the bad call or you know, really negative press related to police officers, I always chalk it up to, well, [01:47:00] there was a failure in training that occurred that allowed this to occur the way it did.

And so I wonder how departments really focus on, analyze these situations internally to utilize the worst case scenarios or the worst case situations that are being broadcast maybe nationally. How do they utilize that as an opportunity to learn to make their departments better? And I was really impressed with the Kansas City, Missouri Police Department.

Not that I had anything to ever compare it to, but I was impressed with how well they analyzed situations from any use of force report to any sort of major interaction from citizen complaints. How do we utilize this to make our department better? And obviously, this was a long time ago when I was wearing the uniform and behind the badge, and it was before police officers had body cameras and.

We were just starting to get video cameras in our cars and it was still [01:48:00] being recorded on VHS tapes. And it was interesting how many officers were upset with the fact that they’re gonna be on tape because they would think that, oh, well this is just gonna be utilized to punish me when I do things wrong.

And I always had that concept of. You know what? I’m super excited that this is being recorded because one, I want my supervisors to be able to see all the good that I’m doing because just like the news doesn’t see it, my supervisors didn’t get to see it because they weren’t on every single call with me, right?

They might be on one call a week with me, and I have 28 calls a day that I was going on. So this’ll be an opportunity that they would be able to see the good work that I’m doing and utilize that maybe as a training opportunity for other young officers coming up. But I was really excited about the fact that if I ever made a mistake that it could be recorded, and not only myself, but every other officer had an opportunity to learn from it because we learned most from our [01:49:00] mistakes.

And I would’ve a new recruit student next to me in the car and I’d be like, Hey, what did we learn most from, we learned most from our mistakes? Well, then let’s go mess some stuff up. As long as it doesn’t result in a, you know, a hundred thousand dollars lawsuit and nobody gets injured or killed tonight, then let’s go say the wrong thing.

You know, not intentionally, of course, but let’s appreciate the fact that we said the wrong thing to the wrong person at the wrong time. And now we learn from that. And now we’re gonna have a 30 year career where we’ll never make that same mistake again. Yeah. So let’s mess it up now, learn the most we possibly can and, and make ourselves better, and then let’s share those lessons with everybody else so you don’t have to drive down this same exact road that I drove down to learn these hard lessons.

You know? And so that was the, the culture that was built into our environment in Kansas City that I was so impressed with is that everybody said, Hey, look, let’s, we’re all learning and we’re all gonna make mistakes. Let’s go. And it was. Closing out this episode of the [01:50:00] Tell Us Something podcast. What begins as an unlikely friendship for Lauren Tobias with a free spirited dog on the Fort Peck Indian Reservation in northwestern Montana takes a heartbreaking turn when the dog mysteriously disappears.

Days of agonizing searching lead to a devastating discovery, a poignant makeshift funeral, and an outpouring of community support. Just as grief settles in a shocking revelation, sends everything spiraling into an unbelievable twist. Lauren calls her story off leash. Thanks for listening.

I never thought I’d have a dog. I, it’s not that I don’t love dogs, obviously, it’s that I just like the guilt of anyone who’s a dog on her nose. The guilt of just like watching them stare at you in your house, uh, it was just like too much for me. Um, so [01:51:00] when I moved to the Fort Peck reservation in 2018, late 2018, um, my perspective on dog relationship kind of got blown out of the water.

Um, anyone who, um, maybe in the, who’s listening in the audience might know, um, the relationship that people have with dogs there is just very symbiotic and, um, people consider the members of the community. It, from the outside, I might look like, um. It might look like they are just like, don’t have homes, but actually like people take, take care of them and it’s their meaningful parts, parts of the community.

And so when I, I met many, many dogs while I was living there. Um, I spent about four years and, uh, this one particular dog stood out to me. She was a big [01:52:00] poofy, white, fluffy dog, and she had a slap happy personality. I would see her on the streets with like this pack, this like mi um, miscellaneous pack with dogs.

And every time she saw me, she would like jump on me and like greet me. And we had this like, developing relationship over the course of months. And she would do this thing where I swear she like, knew that she could make people laugh. Um, direct eye contact and like a foot long tongue, just like. Hanging out of her mouth.

And, um, she would like dip her shoulder butt would just flop down to the floor like a seal’s tail. And then she would just like get on her belly to ask for belly rubs and she would just like still be making eye contact with you. And so that’s how I like met her. And, um, eventually she kind of started following me, like in town and we sort of developed a courtship and after a couple months [01:53:00] decided to make it official, which meant that I got her vaccinated and slapped a collar on her.

Um, and a week later she told me that she was pregnant and I was not the father. And so, um, that was our first experience together. So my whole thing about the guilt and the dogs, um, we had this very fluid relationship. And we never went there just for the record. Um, um, so she, we, we had this like, come and go.

She would just sort of like sit on my porch all day and she would kinda like knock on the door. She wanted to come in in the house, she’d knock on the door if she wanted to leave, she’d wander around all day. So, um, it was kind of perfect, like we just had developed trust and then through like the raising of her babies, like we developed [01:54:00] even more of like this really natural, beautiful trust.

And, um, she was like my best friend. It sounds like cliche, but it was true. Everyone in town that knew me knew that she was my dog. And um, so yeah, we spent probably about a year that she was kind of like with me. Um, and so because of our, the nature of our relationship, when she didn’t show up home one night, I didn’t really think very much of it.

Um, and then two nights went by and I was like, you know, she’s done this before, you know, it’s probably no big deal. Um, three nights, four nights go by and I’m like, okay. Like I let her out of the house with a collar, without a collar on because I like didn’t always put a collar on her when she was, um, leaving the house.

’cause we had just kind of come in and out. And so I was like, she probably got lost. And, um, I hung up posters all over Wolf Point. Those of you who know Wolf Point, probably like, didn’t take that long to cover the town. It’s pretty small, small town. But [01:55:00] um, on the sixth day I got a phone call and, uh, it was from, there were three kids on the other line and they were calling from the Wolf Point Pizza joint, uh, like the, the, the dial phone there.

And they were like, I was like, hello? Uh, they were like, all they said was, we found your dog. And I was like, oh my God. Like, where can I come get her? Like, yes, thank you so much. Like, I’ll be right there. And I was just met with silence on the other line, and this was like literally the first time throughout the entire six days where I was like, like maybe something’s wrong.

Like maybe she’s, something happened to her. I never considered it. She grew up around cars and she was always really good around, you know, cars and stuff. So I never thought that that was like a possibility. So I run across town, I drive across town, I pick them up and they, I’d ask them [01:56:00] to show me where she was.

And when we start walking up to the train tracks, I was like, like, oh my God. Like, no way. Um, so I walk up and I see, I walk up and I see her body deflated and, and lifeless and just like formed to the, uh, reels of the track. And yeah, sorry, that was really graphic. Um, so the kids are still with me and they’re like, this is the most interesting thing that’s happened to us all day.

We just located your dead dog off of a missing poster sign. So we’re like, here for this. And I was like, can you please leave me for a second? And so they did. And they left me for like, you know, 10 minutes. And then I saw them circling back and I was like, okay, I think we’re in this. And I’m like, okay, if I was, I, you know, if I’m remembering myself as a child and I had done that, like sleuthing, like I’d probably be pretty invested too.

So I was like, all right, you can come with me. [01:57:00] And they were like, what are you gonna do? I’m like, I don’t know. Do you have any ideas? Never been in the situation before. So, um, they came with me. I went back to my house, I grabbed a bathrobe, went back to the train tracks. I wrapped her up 65 pounds, picked her up, put her in my trunk.

Uh, did the only thing I could think to, you know, thank the kids. Went to the McDonald’s drive through, dog still in the back of my trunk. Um, and, and then I took them home and I go home. And now I’m like alone for the first time making phone calls. Uh, and I’m getting text messages from people I didn’t even tell, sending their condolences.

Um, and I made a, an appointment the next morning with the Wolf Point Crematorium. They said they’d make an exception and Cree made a dog, um, the next day. So my friends who live downstairs, three friends came upstairs. They were devastated because they like, loved her too. They knew her spirit. [01:58:00] Um, and we had like probably the most beautiful funeral and ceremony that I’ve ever been to.

We took her body out of the trunk, we put it on her bed, uh, outside in like this kind of mud room. And we, um, put her toys around her, her treats, sweet grass, sage. They, they kind of burned sage and we were drinking whiskey, laughing, uh, crying. And there was like also this moment I wanted to stamp her paw print.

I was like, which arm am I gonna get tattooed? Um, I wanted to stamp her paw print on something like sentimental. The closest thing I could find was my ukulele. I can’t get into that side quest right now. But basically it was like some ped tremors, um, a uh, nail polish, navy blue nail polish. And my friend’s CSI knowledge about like rolling it, which like was not intuitive at all.

It was like a mess. But it gave us like the first belly laugh of, of like the 24 hours. [01:59:00] And, um, so I went to bed, got a really terrible night’s sleep. And I wake up the next morning, I’m flipping pancakes. I’m still, I’m still crying. And, um, I, it’s the first thing I’ve eaten since the McDonald’s the day before at like 3:00 PM and I get a text message on my phone and I see a picture.

Someone forwards me a Facebook post and I see a picture of my dog. Um, I know I’ve lost credibility of saying this, but it was her, the, the picture. I’m like, why, why is someone sending me this? I look at the caption and it says, and anyone know who sweet dog this is? Like, she showed up on my porch today. I look at the timestamp.

It was yesterday, so I’m like, maybe it’s an old picture. I don’t know. And so I message her, find her address. Then my friend mush from the night before the funeral comes banging on my door [02:00:00] and it’s like, have you seen this? Her text message, like she just got it forwarded to you. And, and so I’m like, shut the fuck up.

Like, I don’t know, like, please don’t get my hopes out. We’re like, drive. So I’d like make her get in the car with me. We drive six miles to get to this person’s house and we open the door out. Comes running my actual dog.

This is Fluffer.

Um, she’s seven years old now, and we’re a pet therapy team. Um, uh, yeah. And so she, nothing happened. She was just pumped. She was like, wow, haven’t seen you in a week. Like, what’s up? Like, I’ve been through a lot. Like, whew. She didn’t like look like she lost weight [02:01:00] because she just, you know. She’s chilling.

She probably made some friends. And so anyway, the the de ma of this story is, um, I still have the dog in my closet, you know?

Um, yeah. So the appointment to get her cremated was like in an hour. And so I did the best thing I could do. I took real fluffer in the rod daylight. It was April. So the ground was really hard. I tried, I promise I did my best. I know this is not environmentally friendly, but I like took a, the bathrobe, the dog dug a shallow grave in the hills of Wolf Point.

Um, and yeah, I, that was it. And then, um, I invited the kids to come on an adventure with Fluffy and I, and they got to meet her and hear the things I was telling [02:02:00] about. And, um. Yeah, now we’re just living life and that’s, that’s my story of Lost and Found. So thank you.

Closing out her evening. Tonight is Lauren Tobias. When Lauren moved to Montana from the suburbs of New York City nine years ago, in search of some peace and quiet she never could have expected she’d be making home here. She loved visiting the many nooks and crannies of Montana via highways, gravel, tire, track, roads, hiking trails, bike paths, and her favorite and eight cedar plane.

During her time here, she’s been called to infinitely learn from how to recognize what’s under the hood of her car to self-expression through photography, to embracing a queer identity, to picking up beer league, ice hockey in her thirties. [02:03:00] Those last two things are related only by pure coincidence she assures me.

Lauren has found more life here than she could have ever imagined. She spent COV living on the Fort Peck Indian Reservation, learning a more holistic history of our country and about the incredible culture and decolonization efforts of indigenous nations. You are listening to the Tell Us Something podcast.

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Hammy: That was the first thought I have gonorrhea. The second immediate thought was the place I need to go to treat this gonorrhea is my first day at the health department. I thought, oh my God, this is gonna suck. I get dressed. For some reason, I decided to put on white underwear. To this day, I don’t understand why I chose white.

Katie Van Dorn: And I probably should have figured it out, but I didn’t. And I came outta surgery with my right leg, an inch and a half shorter than my left, and I was pod to say [00:01:00] the least, and a doctor said, well, that’s the way it has to be. So it just was

Marc Moss: four storytellers share their true personal story on the theme.

Lost and found.

Karna Sundby: When I found his body, I just started screaming and screaming and ran into the house, grabbed the phone, and started dialing my parents in Illinois. When I realized I can’t just keep screaming when they answered the phone and I can’t stop, I hung up. I look over and there’s a copy of the kinmen.

Kara Adolphson: The campus newspaper sat right there and on. It is a photo of the art exhibit from the day before Kismet. I’m gonna read that, so I drag it over. And I unfold it so that the page drops down and that’s what I see underneath the photo.

Marc Moss: Their stories were recorded. Live in person on June 30th, 2025 at Ogren Park at Allegiance Field in Missoula, Montana.

Closing out Pride Month. On this episode of the podcast, we’re trying out something a little [00:02:00] different. Tell us something. Board member Beth Ann Osteen generously offered to bring in a professional sound engineer to better capture the feeling of a live event. We’re going to try to keep the essence of the live evening by using the storyteller introductions as I introduce the storytellers the night of the event.

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Huge thanks. Goes out to the Greater Montana Foundation who encourages communication on issues, trends, and values of importance to Montanans. We are so grateful to the Greater Montana Foundation for their support to make the June event possible. Tell us something acknowledges that this land where Ogre Park, [00:03:00] uh, ogre Park now stands, is the ancestral territory of the Salish and Kalispell peoples who have stewarded it for generations.

Summertime is traditionally the primetime for indigenous peoples to gather various berries and roots that are in season while the bitterroot are already harvested. Now is the time for processing and storing any remaining bitterroot that have been gathered. Another staple canvas bulbs are being dug and prepared for storage huckleberry’s service.

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In our first story, hammy shares his tale about family faith, and finding yourself what starts as a journey of self-discovery after a life altering decision. Takes an unexpected turn leading to a hilarious and surprising public health crisis on the very first day of a new job. Sometimes life’s most challenging moments can also be the most liberating.

Hammy calls his story, Ham’s First Day at the Health Department. Thanks for listening.

Hammy: Hello everyone. My name’s Hammy, and before I begin, I need to tell everyone that I just grew up loving my family. I, me, my mom, my brother, my sister, my dad. We were all so very close. Um, also, I never really heard my parents fighting at all, which was pretty cool. They would always fight about religion, though.

You see, my [00:05:00] dad was Roman Catholic and my mom’s a Jehovah’s Witness. And, uh, their son had a secret. Um, so I always knew that I had to, I always knew that one day I was gonna make this decision. And I, I tried, I prayed, I, I did the baptism, I did the conversion therapy. And when I was 27 years old, I finally realized I couldn’t do it anymore.

So I, uh, kind of, kind of came out. I, I started downloading the dating apps. I started dating. And I met this boy. There’s this beautiful man in Indiana and I decided to, to get married. Someone go, woo Indiana. Yeah. Um, don’t hear that often. So, uh, he, he just completely swept me up. And I, I came out and, uh, sure enough, my church gave me that phone call and they excommunicated me and my mom, my brother, my sister, my cousins, my friends, everyone.

Dead. That’s it. They just, I believe the church said they handed me over to [00:06:00] Satan. And I’m like, that is a little dramatic. I’m the gay one. Easy there, Satan. Um, but anyways, we were married for five years. We had a good relationship and till one day he decided that he didn’t wanna be married anymore. And so I thought, well, I, I left my family to marry you and, and you change your mind and, and that’s okay.

But what am I gonna do? I knew I wasn’t staying in, in, in Indiana, so, um, I, I wanted to go home. Everything in my body told me I gotta go home. I have to go home. And I knew that if I went home, I would get sucked into the church again. And I knew I would just end up killing myself. ’cause I would just, I would be conflicted.

So I decided to do one of those, you know, eat, pray, love things and just go find myself. But I really don’t like Europe, so I just came to Montana instead. So I got, I got a job at Yellowstone and in Big Sky and I did all those kind of things of working seasonal [00:07:00] jobs. And I finally decided what I wanted to do more than anything was.

Work in public health. I was in a first responder and then in occupational health and now I was in public health, so I got accepted back into a public health program online and I got a job at the Gallatin County Health Department. And so my very first day, right, well, let me actually back up just a minute.

After I, um, came off the mountain, uh, the girl was in heat. Let me tell you. I was divorced. I was in a new city. It was, I was feeling good about myself. You know, the grinder notifications were rolling in. So, uh, I had a lot of fun that first weekend. Now that morning, on my first day at the health department, I woke up and I went to go take a piss and I thought, shit, it started burning.

I said, this can’t be good. Maybe I’m just dehydrated. So I hop in the shower and I look down and this discharge is coming out. Well, you know what? We don’t need to get too [00:08:00] graphic, but I think I knew exactly what it was. That was the first thought. Shit, I have gonorrhea. The second immediate thought was the place I need to go to treat this gonorrhea is my first day at the health department.

I thought, oh my God, this is gonna suck. So I go to the I I, I get dressed. For some reason, I decide to put on white underwear. To this day, I don’t understand why I chose white, but I loaded up on underwear and I headed into work. And I thought, I don’t know what I’m gonna tell them. I don’t know if I’m gonna just keep it kind of quiet.

Um, but then they’re all gonna know they’re gonna do the contact tracing. So I met the health officer and she says, hello James. Welcome my, my real name’s James. She says, hello James, welcome. And I said, hello, and I have gonorrhea and I’m gonna have to talk to someone. And she says, okay, um, let’s get your boss, who’s the communicable disease manager.

Uh, and I’m like, of course, that makes total sense. So I tell her. I’m like, Hey. And then I kind of do it like at, by [00:09:00] that point I kind of go on like this one man show where I’m just telling everybody they got the first two out. So like epidemiologist, you knew front desk reception. I was letting her know, I just had to own that story.

So they, they arranged the, they, they do the, the follow up and contact tracing at the health department, but they do actually the testing, uh, at a different party. So I go down. Hey, I go get tested, um, and the doctor comes in, I’m like, I have gonorrhea. And she’s like, okay. So I pulled down my pants and then I look down and she looks down and we both notice a bump.

Now this was August, 2022. If anyone in public health knows what was happening around August 20, yes, there it is. Monkey px, m MPOs. She looks, I look, she says, I’ll be right back. Come leaves the room. She comes back in looking like monsters ink. It was head to toe, PPE, the mask, the shield, the gloves. The runway category was PPE, and she crushed it.

So she’s coming in and [00:10:00] so she like takes, you know, and, and. She, she, she starts slicing it. And I’ve only been in, yes, exactly. Oh, because I’ve only been in one public health class my first semester and three days at the health department. And inside I knew, I’m pretty sure it’s a swab, but I’m not gonna tell you like, Hey, by the way, doctor, I’m new to public health.

This is what to do. So she cuts it and as she cuts it, there’s like gonorrhea dripping out of my penis. It is a whole Hello. Yes. Um, there is a whole, it’s, it’s a whole production. So now I gotta call my boss on my way home and be like, Hey, um, they think it might be Empo and I have to quarantine. So Do you guys have like a remote or a computer?

Yeah, like a pickup. They were very great. The, the health department, I’ll tell you when, when they say you have, these, were all strangers and you have to rely on, on the, the compassion and kindness of strangers. They were all absolutely amazing. And, uh, they just re reaffirmed my life. And, uh, the people [00:11:00] in Butte, that queer people were being taken care of because there was no stigma.

There was no judgment. They were just right to the facts. Um, so. I get a phone call a couple days later. It’s, it’s negative. Um, for em, PX, gonorrhea, we all knew. Yes, that was, we, we had that one coming. So we get there and she’s, um. So I go back, I go back in and they say, okay, you gotta do your follow-up test.

Or I do my follow-up test and uh, they call me back. They say everything’s negative. We just wanted you to come back in one last time for a shot of penicillin. I thought, okay, that’s fine. Gimme a shot of pen penicillin. I wait a couple weeks. I go on another date. Now I have to go to Butte for this date. I go to Butte.

I first time, I think it’s really fun. Here I go. Have a nice beautiful morning with Clayton. His name was a wonderful man. We’re just having some coffee and he says, you know, we like to get lunch. He. I said, yeah, I just want to let you know I’m allergic to seafood. And he says, okay, well we’re in Butte, so relax.

Um, and [00:12:00] then, uh, I said, are you allergic to anything? He said, it’s just penicillin. And I said, okay, well, we can’t have sex after lunch because I might give you penicillin. Uh, I had gonorrhea. And they had, it wasn’t, but then thought it was monkeypox, but it wasn’t that, but it was gonorrhea actually. So if I can transmit it, I’m not, I’m only in my, like, third week of public health right now, so I don’t really know how all of this works.

Um, he said, I just want, I just wanna buy you lunch. So, uh, good guy. So that, that’s, that’s thinking about that now, you know, getting lost. Getting found was I, was I lost when I came out here? I think a little bit, and I think we’re always a little bit lost, right? Because that’s so, it makes life kind of exciting.

And, um, have I been found? Well, I found a really good therapist. Um, thank God for her. Uh, uh, I, uh, found a community. A [00:13:00] family. My partner Clayton, he stayed with me by the way. Uh, great guy by the way. Doug is here. Oh. Um, by the way, every interaction since then is always that of me being like, I have a wild story.

And him being like, sure. So it’s like the perfect relationship. Uh, and, uh, I, I found a great community in, in Butte. Uh, it’s such a wonderful town. Thank you to Missoula. Butte. It’s able to hang a pride flag. We got that passed. So thank you guys. Thank you Missoula for that. Um, but. In, in conclusion of this story, I, I try to talk openly about this.

I don’t want us to feel like we ever have to hold in that shame, that darkness. ’cause I know what that darkness does when we bring that darkness to the light in front of strangers. Um, just sharing our stories, we’re able to own that, right? So thank you guys so much for having me here. I appreciate it and I hope you guys enjoy the rest of this time.

Thanks, Marc.[00:14:00]

Marc Moss: Hammy is thrilled to be sharing his story tonight. He works in occupational safety, health and risk management. He is the founder and creative director of Queer Butte Arts and Culture, a new group celebrating local, queer art, queer culture, and local queer history. Last year he was named one of Southwest Montana’s 20 under 40, and this year he was honored as the young professional of the year by the Butte Local Development Corporation.

He is a homosexual and he lives in Butte with his partner Clayton. Also, a homosexual

ham is passionate about harm reduction, ending stigma, and walking on his hands. Above all, hammy believes that storytelling can save lives. In our next story, Katie Van Dorn recounts a childhood marked by an unexpected physical challenge to a life defined by adventure and a [00:15:00] relentless pursuit of wellness.

Katie’s journey is filled with extraordinary feats, unexpected setbacks, and profound self-discovery. Katie calls her story, the cracks are how the light gets in. Thanks for listening.

Katie Van Dorn: Wow. The only time I hold a mic like this is when I am in a room all by myself. So now I’ve gotta see all these faces. Anyway, um, well, good evening everybody. Have you ever heard the joke about the lost dog with three legs blind in his left eye, missing an ear and no tail? Well that dog answers to the name of Lucky and my, my brother used to call him.

Say that I was that dog named Lucky. And, and the reason for that is, is it began at birth. I was born with a dislocated hip and I was a [00:16:00] cesarean baby. So either the doctor pulled too hard or they, um, or somehow they didn’t check my hip at birth. So around. Age two, my parents finally discovered that I had a dislocated hip when I fell and couldn’t get up.

And, um, so I was braced, just, uh, just tucked in and kept in a brace. And I would be standing in the yard in the patio just spreading, go like this with my brother and sister running all around me. And a little tiny dog named Clyde would just knock me over flat on my back. And, uh. And so anyway, I, um, that actually did wondrous for me.

It, it sent me on my way. And I, because I grew up in Lala as Mark said, I, um, I was able to swim and, and surf body surf, and. Hike and run and all that. My childhood wasn’t affected, but at high school I started to have a lot of hip pain again, and so [00:17:00] I went to the orthopedic surgeon and he said, well, you need a pelvic osteotomy.

In other words, a total restructuring of my right hip, and basically it just rotates your. Acetabulum your socket straight down instead of down and out. And that actually six weeks, um, in a body cast, then seven months on crutches. And the body cast was like, my parents had to have a baby all over again.

They had to come give me the bed pan and water and food and everything. And I, um, I was not a happy baby. Um, and so anyway, I, uh. I got through that and it was like, I felt like the lucky dog. It was pretty miraculous. I was able to run, I was, I started school at the University of California Davis and I was able to run a half marathon and I just really got into running and I also got into swimming.

Um, I used to swim in the ocean, but I started swimming in a pool with a master’s program and the coach [00:18:00] there asked me if I wanted to do a race from. Lanai to Maui in Hawaii, swimming across the channel. And so I did that and it was a pretty neat experience with huge swells. And some of the, some of the swimmers were seasick ’cause the boat had to go as slow as the swimmer.

But I did it and it just fueled my love of adventure and my desire for more. And soon thereafter, I was invited to cook at a guest ranch in the cell way, bitter wilderness. And that was my introduction to Montana. And so I went back and cooked for five summers. I loved it. I would run along the river’s edge and jump into big pools.

And so for five years, I alternated summers in the cell way and winters cooking at a guest or at a restaurant at the top of Aspen or snow mass. Mountain and then I decided, okay, I gotta, I need a real job. So I went back to school in exercise physiology and learned about how, how exercise and nutrition [00:19:00] and all sorts of things factor into.

Staying healthy. And uh, but then soon after I graduated for my, got my master’s, once again, my hip was bothering me. So now I was facing surgery number three, and this was from the femoral side instead of the pelvic side. And I probably should have figured it out, but I didn’t. And I walk, came outta surgery with my right leg, an inch and a half shorter than my left, and I was.

POed to say the least. And, um, the, the, you know, doctor said, well, that’s the way it has to be. So it just was so, I just learned to use poles for hiking and I put lifts in on, in and outside of my shoe and I got a lot of body work. And my name used to be Katie Bodywork, van Dorn. And to this day I live by that principal, but I met my husband around that time and he also loved hug.

Hiking Ray, he’s up there [00:20:00] and, um, so we did a lot of adventures that involved hiking, trapper Peak, Lolo Peak, et cetera. And he, if I got sore, he would give me a piggyback and just bounce my, my hips around until I was. Good to go again. And, uh, so anyway, that, uh, went on. And then around 2001, when I was 45 years old, I decided to have a hip replacement.

And to tell you the truth, that was a very lucky experience because to this day, I still have that hip and it works wonderfully. I might have a. Funky gate, but it still works. And, um, and so because of that good surgery, we decided to do this ski trip from Finland, in Finland, from Russia to Sweden. And we skied about 40, uh, about 40 to 50 miles a day for seven days.

And that, again, was, was quite an adventure. And what I realized with both swimming and [00:21:00] skiing is that they’re very rhythmical. And so if you just put a piece of music like Taco Bell’s cannon in your head, you can just. Get into the flow. And so, um, so we, I did a lot of skiing and then I, um, because of this funky gait, I found myself needing knees, two of them in 2014.

And so I went back and I had, um, knee surgery. And again, that was so fortunate. It just flowed. So well, and, um, I had, I still to this day have the knees and the hip, and they both do really well. But what happened a few years later was that I started to have foot pain, left foot pain, and I, um, and I consulted doctors after trying ibuprofen and tons of steroid shots.

I kept pushing myself, pushing myself, and finally the doctor [00:22:00] said, you know what? You’ve, you’ve your foot. Uh, talus bone, which is your landing pad, has collapsed and your only option is amputation. Cut that off. And I said, I’m gonna cut my head off before I cut any foot off. And I, um, I meant it. And, um, so I.

Um, and this was the first time that there wasn’t a solution. There was always solutions to all these things. This is the first time when I thought, okay, you’ve got to figure this one out for yourself. And um, Henry David Throw once said that, not until we are lost. Can we begin to find ourselves? So I sought out, um, a lot of alternative medicine.

I got stem cells and prolotherapy and platelet rich plate plasma, and I, I sought it all out to try to help the foot. At least structurally. And then my mom passed, happened to pass away in the middle of all this. So I had time to [00:23:00] just go inward and think about, okay, what, what have I done wrong here? Maybe I’ve been, um.

Not a nice person because I lost my SOLE, but I felt like I needed my SOUL saved, and so I tried to do a lot of meditation and studying neuroscience and y. Um, how meditation can help that. And I studied energy medicine and I studied restorative yoga. And I, I just went, just went deep for three years. I just kind of hid out and all my friends up there were with me when, you know, I, Ray would put on his, his ski closer, his running shoes, and go to, to go out and exercise and I would start crying and I just would always be in tears.

And finally after a lot of work and it internally and a lot of outside work, little by little my foot started to be a little less blue [00:24:00] and so did I, and less swollen. And gradually I was able to do more and more. First I could walk without the brace. I had a A FO brace on my foot, and then I could. Walk a little bit longer and then I could double pull cross country skiing.

And finally, in 2022, I hiked to jump top a jumbo for the first time and I just wept. And um. With joy and gratitude. And ever since then I’ve really thought, okay, you’ve gotta be grateful for this body. ’cause you know, it’s, it’s pieced together. Lots of, lots of replaced parts, and so you’ve gotta take good care of it and honor it.

And when it doesn’t wanna do something, let go. Just let it go. And so. I wanna summarize my story, my lost and found story with a, a little verse from one of my favorite Museum, museum [00:25:00] musicians, Leonard Cohen. And the song is called Anthem. He says, ring the bells that still can ring. Forget your perfect offering.

There is a crack in everything, and that’s how the light gets in. Thank you.

Marc Moss: Katie Van Dorn

is originally from Lala, California. Katie studied exercise physiology at the University of Montana. She is passionate about the outdoors and is a compassionate real estate agent who has been caring for home buyers and sellers alike in Missoula for over 20 years. Katie loves hiking, cross country skiing, swimming, gardening, and cooking.

You may have heard her freeform show on Montana Public Radio, where she is a rotating host and producer of Thursday freeform coming up after the break.

Karna Sundby: When I found [00:26:00] his body, I just started screaming and screaming and ran into the house, grabbed the phone, and started dialing my parents in Illinois. When I realized I can’t just keep screaming when they answered the phone and I can’t stop, I hung up.

Kara Adolphson: I look over and there’s a copy of the caman. The campus newspaper sat right there and on. It is a photo of the art exhibit from the day before Kismet. I’m gonna read that, so I drag it over and I unfold it so that the page drops down and that’s when I see underneath the photo.

Marc Moss: That’s next on the Tell Us Something podcast.

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Marc Moss: Alright, let’s get back to the stories.

You are listening to the Tell Us Something podcast. I’m Marc Moss, opening up the second half of this episode of the Tell Us Something Podcast. Karna Sundby goes on a blind date in Seattle, which leads to a whirlwind, romance and a life that feels like a dream when an unimaginable tragedy strikes. One woman’s world shatters, forcing her to confront the deepest of despair, follow her incredible journey through loss, unexpected healing, and the profound discovery of purpose amidst the pain.

Know that Karna’s story speaks frankly [00:28:00] about suicide. Karna calls her story, finding the gift. Thanks for listening.

Karna Sundby: Hello everybody. Can you hear me?

Come with me to Seattle. It’s after work and I’m on an escalator, headed up to a restaurant, and I’m feeling anxious and wondering why am I doing this? I get to the top and sitting on a couch is a very handsome man. Eyeing the escalator, he stands up, flashes me. A big smile, has perfect teeth, and maybe this blind date isn’t such a bad idea.

After all, we sit in the bar for hours telling stories about our families, our sales careers, his love of sailing, my passion for skydiving and all of our bizarre blind dates. Later, we would [00:29:00] agree that it seemed like a reunion. Like we already knew each other, maybe from some other time. His name was Ed, and his gentle spirit won my heart.

We spent almost every weekend on his sailboat, which was so relaxing and so exhilarating when you’re keeled over and the spinnaker’s out, slicing through the the swales, and then there’s nothing so tranquil as being lulled to sleep. By waves slapping against the hull of a gently rocking boat. Eventually we moved into a guest house, I mean a, a house on the Puget Sound, and it was summer in Seattle.

We were so happy. Life was so good. As I got to know him over the next couple years, I felt we had the happiest relationship of anybody that I knew. He was more quiet with other people than he was with me, and so I started [00:30:00] thinking of him as the strong, silent type. We were both in sales and I realized that he never should have been.

There was just too much pressure, too many quotas, too many, too much selling, and so I wish that he had had some different kind of career. We never had an argument. I never saw him upset or. Depressed until one November night. And then when I asked him what was wrong, he said it was his job. And I said, well, ed, you can find a different job, but I’d never seen him despondent like this.

And I didn’t know how to support him. So I just thought, well, I’ll just let it be. Let him watch Monday Night football and we’ll talk about this more tomorrow. But for us, there would be no, tomorrow I was 42 years old. Living a charmed life with the man of my dreams. Those dreams died the next day when I came home from work and found him dead.

[00:31:00] He had chosen to end his life. When I found his dead body, I just started screaming and screaming and ran into the house, grabbed the phone, and started dialing my parents in Illinois. When I realized I can’t just keep screaming when they answer the phone and I can’t stop, I hung up. Yeah, just then my neighbor shouted.

I called 9 1 1 and whoosh. All of my freaking out parts just came rushing back together and I thought, help us on the way. Maybe he’s not dead, maybe they can save him. The firetruck came very quickly and got him out of the, the car. We’re trying to resuscitate him on the driveway. It was so unbelievable. I ran into the house to get a pillow for his head.

I remember standing against this post just praying out loud. I swear I could hear the sound of my life shattering on the concrete. When I realized he was gone. I now know [00:32:00] that he’d been fired from that job for not making his sales skull. And later I would find a box of mail that he didn’t want me to see.

Debts a recent bill from the IRS with six years of unpaid taxes. The strong, silent type with secrets that I would never find answers for the next year was hell, full of dark emotions, sorrow to pray, despair, hopelessness, and I needed community to heal. So I went to visit some dear girlfriends in the LA area and happened to be there when the Northridge earthquake happened.

We were talking until late into the night when suddenly the earth just started quaking. The walls were shuttering, shirking violently back and forth, and it was dark as a tomb, and there was this dead silence except for my friends shouting, are you okay? Are you okay? They were [00:33:00] diving for door jambs and hiding under fufu furniture.

I was laying on the ground spread eagle in front of a plate glass window that went from the floor to the ceiling, hoping that it would shatter and kill me. And I’d made an instant decision that if it broke and didn’t kill me, I’d take a shard of glass and slip my juggler vein and no one would know that I had done it.

That’s how much I didn’t wanna be here. I wished that I could die, but I knew the pain of suicide. There was just this constant ache. This. Empty, endless hole that nothing could fill. And there were the nightmares that first year. It was a supportive family, friends, grief counseling and a spiritual connection that got me through the tough times.

I wanted to be free of the bad dreams. So I went to a professional. That first session was pretty scary because she wanted to take me back into the garage. The source [00:34:00] of the, the sight of the. Bad dreams where I would wake up in a cold, sweaty panic, sometimes screaming. But what she said made sense that I had, I was reliving it because that’s the way my brain had recorded it and that we needed to rewire my brain.

So she taught me how to disassociate in a healthy way from the event so that I could observe it instead of live it. After two sessions, I never had a nightmare again. After a few more sessions, I was blown away at how much better I was feeling no longer merely surviving. I was thriving. The modality was called NLP, which stands for Neural Linguistic Programming, and I decided I wanna help people heal from their trauma.

So I went to school, became a master practitioner of neural linguistic programming. [00:35:00] And when I first started working with clients, it was the most fulfilling thing I ever experienced in my life. It was such a gift, and there were other gifts that came from this tragedy, the gift of compassion. When I felt such deep pain, it led me to such deep compassion for human suffering.

I don’t know if I could have become someone who cares so much what people go through if I hadn’t gone through so much myself. That was such a gift, and another gift that I received was learning how to forgive. If I hadn’t been able to forgive the people that I wanted to blame, I think I’d still be haunted by this tragedy stuck forever in the past.

Maybe even using it as an excuse for why I couldn’t be happy or successful in life. But I like what Nelson Mandela says about forgiveness. To stay [00:36:00] in a state of non forgiveness is like me drinking poison, expecting the other guy to die. I didn’t wanna drink the poison, so I became someone who can forgive easily, and that is a great gift.

Another gift that I received was I learned how to feel all my feelings, no matter how dark they were, without being afraid of feeling them. I learned the truth of grieving, which is this, to heal you must feel. When I, when Ed first died, I never thought I’d be happy again, and I sure never thought I’d fall in love, but maybe it’s because I was willing to so deeply feel that I was able to truly heal my broken heart and create new dreams.

I’ve been with my amazing husband, Kirk, now for 24 years. Actually, it’ll be [00:37:00] 24 years on July 7th, and I would need that my whole 10 minutes up here to tell you what a wonderful man he is. I’m gonna start crying. So communicative. So reliable. So passionate about life and handsome. With perfect teeth.

When I first met Kirk, I realized that for me, some of the grief work was only gonna be completed when I was in a relationship again, and he was willing to walk that path with me bringing us so close able to talk about everything. I created new dreams with him, like moving back to Missoula where I went to college.

Our life is so good and I’m so grateful that I didn’t die in that earthquake. That I live to find this joy and I love my work. I love to help people transform. And when I help somebody heal their trauma, their depression, their PTSD, you know, the [00:38:00] really deep stuff, it means the world to me. I feel like I’m doing the work that I’m meant to do.

Do I think about Ed very much? Not so much when there’s a, some, you know, anniversary. Yes. When I hear of another suicide, yes, but when I heard that the theme tonight was lost and found, I thought maybe I would like to tell my story. I lost so much. I lost the man I loved. I lost my hopes. I lost my dreams, and I found so much.

I found my passion. I found meaningful work. I found my life’s calling, and maybe I was destined to work with people to help them heal their trauma. And maybe I wouldn’t have found my destiny without this tragedy. So the whole experience has brought me to develop kind of a new core belief in life, which is that when the really tough times happen, maybe there’s a gift in there [00:39:00] somewhere.

And if we can just keep our eyes and our ears and our hearts open, maybe somehow will be guided to find a gift amidst the pain. Thank you.

Marc Moss: Karna Sundby’s journey of self-discovery has led her to explore various paths in life. From teaching meditation to a successful career in corporate sales, what has always driven her most is the desire to make a difference. Often the toughest times in life are the ones which break us open and forge within us a deep well of compassion.

Her story tonight is about one of those times when a terrible tragedy led to a precious gift. Closing out this episode of the Tell Us Something podcast. Kara [00:40:00] Adolphsen is a college freshman, grappling with a secret grief. Kara vows to herself that she will navigate her new life and grief silently. But on the anniversary of a profound loss, an unexpected invitation leads to an art exhibit, a surprising discovery and a breakthrough moment of joy and healing.

Kara calls her story finding humor after loss. Thanks for listening.

Kara Adolphson: Hello out there.

The first day of my freshman year in college was on the six month anniversary of my best friend’s death, and I had just come from this small Montana town where all of my day-to-day interactions had shifted from, Hey Kara, how’s it going? To, Hey Kara, how are you? [00:41:00] And I became so desperate to get away from that, that I moved as quickly and as early as I possibly could here to the University of Montana campus.

And as I arrived in the town that my friend and I had planned to move to together without her. I made a solemn vow to myself that I would tell no one that I was grieving, not only because I was so tired of these other sum interactions that I had been having, but also because at 18 I really didn’t have the words to explain what I was going through.

So it became my closest kept secret, and I told no one. I didn’t tell my professors. I didn’t tell my new bosses. I didn’t tell any new peers that I met. I didn’t even tell my [00:42:00] roommate that I lived in a proverbial shoebox with. It was truly a secret, but the thing about grief is that it tends to show up even when it’s uninvited, especially when it’s uninvited.

And my grief really showed up in my poor academic performance my freshman year. I had a hard time attending my classes, let alone doing anything to pass them. I practically flunked out my very first semester. I lost all of my academic scholarships, and while that was really difficult to hold. For anyone out there who has experienced grief, you can corroborate that.

One of the more difficult emotions to hold when you’re grieving is surprisingly joy. These two seemingly opposite emotions are hard to balance at [00:43:00] the same time, and it’s something that took me years of practice to master. But one thing during this year that really cracked open this joy for me was I, of course, met a boy and he really brought that glimmer back into my life.

I could tell that he could see through the facade that I was offering, and he was treating me like a normal person. And even so still, I couldn’t tell him about my grief. And as the year continued on and the seasons changed, and winter was preparing to give way into spring, there was this horrible date that was approaching, which was the one year anniversary of my friend’s death.

And I could tell pretty quickly that I wasn’t gonna be able to handle it very well. So I was [00:44:00] making plans of how I could kind of cancel the day and pretend that it. Didn’t even happen. And on the night before the one year anniversary, I was sitting in my dorm room predating calling out of work, canceling my classes, shocker, and just hiding away in my room.

And that’s when I heard a familiar ping on my laptop. A Facebook message because the year was 2013 and we still, Facebook messaged each other to communicate. And so I went over and it was a message from this boy and it said, Hey, what are you doing tomorrow? I thought, well, nothing. And he said, how would you feel about coming to one of my classes with me?

I thought, well, that’s really bizarre. Um, but what class? And he said, just show up. You’ll find out when you get there. So I agreed, [00:45:00] having no idea what I was agreeing to. The University of Montana offers over 300 different courses, including things like acrobatic trampoline class, so it really could have been anything.

But the next morning, instead of hiding away from the world as I had planned, I went out into it. And I went over to the social sciences building on campus, which is a kind of catchall building for a lot of classes to meet this boy. I went up to the third floor to a room that I knew was a lecture hall, hoping that I could walk in and blend in with the crowd.

But when I opened the door to that room, there was maybe 15 people in that room. There was no blending in, but I went in anyway and I sat down next to this boy and I said. Where am I? And he said, well, this is my art history class. I said, okay. [00:46:00] And right then the professor says, well, class, as you know, today is our big field trip day, so gather your belongings.

We’re leaving right now. Okay, so I get up with the rest of the class and we leave and we go all the way downstairs in the same building. There are student art exhibits on the first floor, and the class was to go around and just meander around the exhibits and make of them what you will. And this boy, he was beaming, so excited.

Because at some point over the last several months, I had told him that I love art, but what he doesn’t know that’s more salient to me on this day is that my friend, she really loved art. And so somehow on the one year anniversary. [00:47:00] I’m there at an art exhibit and as we go in, I’m pretty novice to the whole art exhibit scene.

So I’m breezing past the artist statements and I’m really taking like a vibes based approach to what’s in the room. And I walk into the very first exhibit. In The first display is this giant block of ice being melted by sound.

And I thought, oh no, I have no idea what this means, but I’m staring at this block of ice and this boy is staring at me staring at the block of ice. And I think you gotta say something brilliant. So I say something to the effect of, well, we’re all blocks of ice and. We’re all slowly melting. I’m having a rather existential day.

Mind you. [00:48:00] And he loves it and it encourages me to go authentically through the rest of the exhibit. So we go through serpentine all of the different art that’s on display until we enter the final room. Which is this magnificent display of all of these different hourglass shaped ceramic sculptures in all different shapes and sizes.

There’s one that’s four feet tall. There’s some on pedestals, like flower vases. There’s a hundred of them pinned up in a grid system, repeating over and over again, and I tell him how very. Warhol that is or something, and we spend a lot of time in this exhibit. We’re really enjoying it. And at the end, there’s this huge container of tiny versions of this sculpture that the viewers get to take home.

Perfect. We dig [00:49:00] through this container. We’re reaching to the bottom. We’re pulling them up to see how the glaze shines in the light. We’re rolling them in our palms to see the texture and the weight, and he finds one that he thinks speaks to him. I find one that speaks to me. We slip them in our pockets and we leave.

And as I made my way back to my dorm room, I was overcome with gratitude, how on a day that I had planned to disappear, I had been seen and really seen. And that night as I laid down in bed, I took my sculpture and I gave it a big kiss and I tucked it under my pillow, just warmed by the events from that day.

The next morning I even took it with me to the food Zoo for breakfast, and I went to the Food Zoo, the campus cafeteria, and I sat down with my cereal and my orange juice [00:50:00] and I look over and there’s a copy of the Caman. The campus newspaper sat right there and on. It is a photo of the art exhibit from the day before Kismet.

I’m gonna read that. So I drag it over and I unfold it so that the page drops down and that’s when I see underneath the photo in rather large writing. University butt plug exhibit is a huge success, and that’s when I realized that my sweet sculpture is in fact, yes. And I let out the biggest belly laugh that I had in a very long time, and it was during that time of tremendous loss for me that I found my sense of humor about life again.

Thank you,[00:51:00]

Marc Moss: Kara Adolphson. Kara is a Montanan community member, therapist and storyteller who finds joy in the arts, the outdoors, and Bluebird days in Missoula. She believes in the power of vulnerability, humor, and shared experience to bring people together, a lover of language and listening. Kara is committed to fostering connection, whether it is in the counseling room on a trail or around the dinner table.

Coming up in the next episode of the Tell Us Something podcast.

Aunvada Being: I asked him if he wanted to open up and he jumped at it. He was thrilled and that was shocking to me and also terrifying. And I’m, I wish that maybe I had been a bit more terrified.

Jilnar Mansour: Here I am in a refugee camp in Palestine with four other Americans, and what we’re doing is we’re witnessing the let up of a curfew.[00:52:00]

Curfew is. Something that was happening then and is still happening now where people are not able to leave their home for hours or days at a time.

Steve Schmidt: I take position on the left side of the doorway. My partner fills in the position of the right side of the doorway, and we fill this space naturally. Our guns are drawn because we’re searching this residence.

And I yell, sir, on the sixth day, I, I got a phone call and there

Lauren Tobias: was three kids on the other line and they were calling from the Wolf Point Pizza Joint. I was like, hello? They were like, all they said was, we found your dog.

Marc Moss: Listen to the concluding stories from the June, 2025 live event that closed out Pride Month.

The theme was lost and found. Subscribe to the podcast so you’ll be sure to catch those incredible stories. You can find us on Instagram, Facebook, YouTube, and Blue Sky and visit Tell us something.org. To explore 14 years of our story archives [00:53:00] and let me know what you thought of the new format. You can email me at info@tellussomething.org to share your thoughts.

Live recording by the recording Studio in Missoula, Montana, podcast production by me, Marc Moss Remember that the next tell us something event is October 7th. You can learn about how to pitch your story and get tickets@tellussomething.org.

Marc Moss: [00:00:00] Welcome to the Tell Us Something podcast. I’m Mark Moss, your host, founder, and executive director of Tell Us Something. The next tell us something event is October 7th. Theme is Welcome the Wild Side. You can learn about how to pitch your story and get tickets@tellussomething.org this week on the podcast.

Nita Maddox: He walks up and he’s got this completely unredeemable action adventure movie, and I pull up his account and it’s just bad movie choices and $50 in late fees, and he tries to introduce himself again, and I was like. Listen buddy. You have terrible taste in movies. You owe $50, you’re gonna need to pay us $20 of those late fees.

Take your crappy movie and kick rocks.

Joyce Gibbs: And so I run around to the back where the, where the nesting area is while she’s eating her food. And I open up the cage or open up the back of the hutch [00:01:00] and there they are. Four furloughs eyeballs closed. Squirmy little. Baby rabbits and they’re squirmy. So much so that one of them falls out of the back of the hutch and lands in the snow and it starts screaming and I

Amanda Taylor: was in it.

So by in it, I mean that by age 16 I had signed a purity contract with God. Really it, it was just a piece of paper that some guy in a church printed, but to me it was from God and I was signing it for him. Plus I took it very seriously and I wore a purity Ring

Marc Moss: three storytellers share their true personal story on the theme.

Be careful what you wish for. Their stories were recorded Live in person on April 4th, 2025 at the Volite [00:02:00] Theater in Butte, Montana. We gathered then on the traditional and unseated lands of the Salish Kni and ponder and Assab peoples whose ancestors have cared for and been stewards of this land for countless generations.

We recognize the deep history, culture, and resilience of the indigenous peoples who lived here long before European settlers arrived. These tribes have been integral to the land, water, and ecosystem of the region, sustaining it through generations of careful stewardship. As we honor their enduring presence, we must also acknowledge the injustices that have been done to these communities.

Displacement. Broken treaties and the ongoing impacts of colonization, including damage done to the earth. This acknowledgement is a reminder of our responsibility to honor and support indigenous communities. One way that we can do this is to support organizations like the Butte Native Wellness Center, the North American Indian Alliance, and get cultural and historical insights at places [00:03:00] like the Butte Cultural Heritage Center.

Remember this, tell us something. Stories sometimes have adult themes. Storytellers sometimes use adult language. Please take care of yourselves. Our first story comes to us from Nita Maddox. A determined single mom navigates the challenges of working four jobs and trying to buy her dream business, a local video store Amidst this chaotic life, a quirky encounter with an unexpected suitor leads to a surprising turn of events.

Just as everything seems to fall into place, a sudden life altering incident challenges her newfound stability and reshapes her entire world. Nita calls her story perfect Blue House. Thanks for listening.

Nita Maddox: So this is also a coming out story. No, it’s not, but maybe it will be. When I was [00:04:00] 25, my daughter was two, and there were two things that we did almost every day.

One was we walked from our little studio apartment on Hickory, down Beckwith up to the University of Montana where she went to daycare and I took classes, and along the way it’s. Started with like low income neighborhood into more middle of the road, and then the big fancy mansions around the university.

And midway there, there was a perfect blue Victorian house, big green lawn, white picket fence, oak tree with a swing. And somewhere along the way we started calling it our house and imagining the life we would lead in it. That seemed so far away from the little studio apartment we were living in. And then on the way home, we would always stop at the Crystal Video store and I actually recognize there might be people in the audience who have no idea what a video store is and when they’re done.

Right. They are amazing places and the [00:05:00] Crystal was one of the best of them. Everybody who worked. There was a writer or a musician or a artist and they knew everything about, um, Peter Green away’s use of Tableau, vivant or S’s use of lone wolf, and there was all these like fabulous shelves just full of other worlds, worlds.

That just expanded what I could imagine in my sometimes feeling a little bit claustrophobic life at that point, seven years later. My daughter is nine. There’s now a 6-year-old brother. I’ve spent two years working in a corporate environment that just didn’t really suit me. We move back to Missoula and I’m working four jobs to make ends meet and try not to touch into my savings.

But one of those jobs is I’m working at the Crystal video store now and the owner. Would very much like to sell the crystal video store and ask me if I wanna buy it. And [00:06:00] so I was trying to put together the resources to buy the video store. Now, one evening I’m working there and this guy comes in and I’ve known him for a while.

And I found him kind of interesting, which was intriguing ’cause he wasn’t really my type. My type was like dark brooding musician and he was kind of tall and blonde, cleft chin, sort of the captain of the football team archetype. And he had met me probably five times prior to that and he never seemed to remember me.

So I kind of was like, I don’t know what I think about this guy. And he walks up and he’s got this completely unredeemable action adventure movie, and I pull up his account and it’s just bad movie choices and $50 in late fees. And he tries to introduce himself again. And I was like. Listen buddy. You have terrible taste in movies.

You owe $50. You’re gonna need to pay us $20 of those late fees. Take your crappy [00:07:00] movie and kick rocks. And that was it. He tried to court me for months. And I was a single mom trying to buy a business, working four jobs, and I had no time for this character. But then he kind of got me and he was like, listen, I just bought this house.

Come over. I’ll make you dinner. You can bring any movie you want. And I show up at the address at the perfect blue Victorian with the green lawn and the white picket fence. And the tree with the swing. And I notice, oh, this is a little wink from fate here, huh? Okay. So we embarked on about three months of a very romantic adventure, and he was surprisingly great about dating a single mom who was working a lot and trying to buy a business.

And then the day came where I signed the papers and put down a ton of money, and I now owned this business that I had really wanted to have, and my daughter and son and [00:08:00] I were crossing the street on Higgins in Missoula to go get ice cream at the Big Dipper to celebrate. And we were run over by a truck in the intersection, and I’m never gonna forget the feeling of grabbing for my daughter’s jacket.

And she was just gone. I don’t, I, my mind couldn’t even comprehend where had she gone. And I looked down and my 6-year-old, his head was right by the bumper of the truck, and I grabbed him and threw him over my head to the sidewalk, just as I noticed this crushing feeling as the tire rolled across my foot.

My daughter spent three months in the hospital and the most of that next year in a wheelchair. She had seven different surgeries, one to reconstruct her face, and during that early phase, that steep uphill climb about learning how to run a business, I was pretty much every day in the hospital and I had just bought a video store right [00:09:00] at the beginning of Netflix being a thing.

So when we kind of normalize when she comes out of the hospital, there’s just so much stress and the only thing I can really remove from the stress is to break up with the guy and he says, you know what? You should just move in with me. That’s gonna make things easier. Which seemed like a good idea other than the fact that we’d only been dating for about six months, but we move into the perfect blue Victorian.

So we’re in our house and I own the business. I’ve always wanted to own and things are normalizing a little bit, but I’m also noticing that I’m really tired and kind of run down. Probably just stress. So I go in for a checkup and then the day before my 33rd birthday, I took my daughter to what was going to be her last doctor’s appointment in this chapter of her life was going to end.

We were gonna schedule the very last surgery. It was really disappointing ’cause they. Some things weren’t [00:10:00] healing correctly and she was gonna need another couple of surgeries and she was pretty bummed. Said, listen, I’ve got a doctor’s appointment, you can come like a follow up appointment, you can come with me to that and then we’ll go do something fun.

So she came with me and I remember. Being in the waiting room and we had the funny little pillow in the exam room and she was chasing me around in her wheelchair, hitting me with this pillow. We were laughing and was like, oh, this is, this is so fun. And then the doctor came in and said that I was gonna have to have another series of tests because it looked like I had non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma, which I did.

And that whole dream that out of nowhere I had manifested. Began to dissolve and I sold the business eventually so it wouldn’t get caught up in the medical bankruptcy, and it was a lot of pressure on the relationship and it ended and we moved out of the perfect blue Victorian. Now this story might sound like it’s a tragic story, but actually in the end, [00:11:00] which there isn’t an ending yet, it didn’t end.

All those people are still alive, and to be honest. I was getting some feedback about the story and somebody said, wow, it was so interesting. You were just telling a story and then all of a sudden you get hit by a truck. But that’s the way it works. That’s how trauma works. One day you’re leading one life, and the next that life is never there again.

You’re leading a completely different life. It was this. Rapid reset where we were in this very sweet, normal life and then this giant heroine’s journey for both my daughter and I started, and neither of us has led anything close to a normal life. We have led a very wild creative, yes, full of some more trauma.

Yes, the trauma from that still follows us, but a amazing resilience. C and an incredible lust for life was found in that moment. So that’s the story I’m telling and [00:12:00] that’s the story I’m sticking with.

Marc Moss: Thanks Nita. Nita Maddox is a multi-generational Montanan, born and raised in Whitefish. She has a passion for adventure, even if it is finding something exciting in the produce area at the grocery store. Nita is here on this planet to be seriously playful on the journey. Next up is Joyce Gibbs. As a third grader in Montana, Joyce convinces her parents to get pet rabbits only to discover.

Their true intention is to breed them for food. Despite an early mishap with the first litter, she learns the harsh realities of a farm life. This unique upbringing shapes her understanding of where food comes from, leading to a memorable, albeit somewhat grizzly childhood experience. Joyce calls her story, stew and Pop.

Thanks for listening.[00:13:00]

Joyce Gibbs: Third grade Clinton, Montana, 16 miles east of Missoula. You know, in third grade when you know, there’s, you get the pet, you get the, we had a pet rabbit, so in the back of the classroom is Peter Peter’s in his little cage, and it’s our job to water him and feed him and, and, uh, clean out his cage every once in a while.

That was super fun. And my friend Dina in third grade, I went over to her house one day and she had like 20 pet rabbits and I was like, oh, you can do this at home too. And they had chickens and goats probably, and pigs, you know. But um. [00:14:00] And so I go home and I’m like, mom, dad, I think I want a pet rabbit. And my dad says, well, okay, actually you can have a pet rabbit.

You can have two pet rabbits. We’re gonna get a male one and a female one. And we’re gonna breed them and we’re going to eat. They’re young. I’m like, yep. Uh. Which is fine, you know, uh, my dad was a hunter, so, um, I wasn’t able to like, help him cut up the meat in third grade, but we definitely were like wrapping in butcher paper and I knew where my meat came from and, and, uh, I was like.

Yeah, that sounds like a good thing. I can do that. So, uh, we [00:15:00] go to Dina’s house. Dina’s dad has a super cool hutch that he made that has three different compartments and, uh, it stands off the ground and for the critters, you know, might eat the rabbits. But, um. Each compartment has a nesting area in the back, and then a front door and a back door.

And then, uh, they have these side doors so you can open up those side doors so the rabbits can commingle. And so, uh, we get the hutch and we go to the store and we get, um, these rabbits, uh, one’s white and one’s black. And, and they were short hair and you know, they’re little rabbit size. We got a book on how to raise rabbits, abbot, and we take ’em home.

And we put ’em each in their separate compartments. [00:16:00] And then about a week later we opened up those doors so they could commingle. And they, uh, a couple weeks later, my dad’s like, I don’t really think anything’s happening here, here. Like, okay, so we go talk to Dina’s dad again ’cause he’s got, you know, 20 rabbits and, um.

And he says, oh yeah, those Dina’s dad says, oh yeah, those, those store-bought rabbits. They don’t really sometimes do that, but I’ve got a really good breeding dough. Dough, uh, rabbits are called dough and box. So, um, I got a good breeding dough for you. And we get, we get. This rabbit, she’s got long hair and lop [00:17:00] ears, which are the ones that fall down and she’s this big and um.

We’re, we’re gonna call her Stella. I forgot to mention, um, my dad said, you know, it’s probably not a good idea to. To, uh, name your rabbits, but, but just, you know, we, we should, so, so we’ll call the white one Stew and we’ll call the black one Pot. So, so then we have Stew and Pot and Stella. Thankfully it was a, you know, triplex.

So we get them all co-mingling together. Because part of the book had like drawings of how you could tell male and female, but I could never figure out actually what that drawing meant. So we just let ’em all in there and a [00:18:00] couple weeks later, my dad’s like, yeah, I think something’s happening here. So we uh, we figure out that Stella is pregnant and I’m super excited and it’s sometime in the winter.

Um, one day I’m supposed to, or every day I go out and I feed the rabbits and I, um, their water always freezes over, so I have to like take it in and thaw it out and give them fresh water in the morning. So I’m doing that and I noticed that Stella, I isn’t coming out of the nest and I finally like, bring the food out and the water out and get her to kind of come out of the nest.

And so I run around to the back where the, where the nesting area is while she’s eating her food. And I open up the cage or open up the back of the hutch, and there they are. Four furlough eyeballs, [00:19:00] closed, squirmy, little baby rabbits, and. They’re squirmy. So much so that one of them falls out of the back of the hutch and lands in the snow and it starts screaming.

And so I pick it up and I throw it back in the nest and I shut the door and I lock it. And I go to school and I say, Hey, my rabbit had babies. Hey, did you hear my rabbit had babies? And I go home. And like Stella’s hanging out in the cage and I’m like, cool, I’ll go back there and see. And I open up the hutch and I open it up and there’s no babies in the nest.

And uh, later on that night, I tell this to my parents and they say, yeah. Yeah, you’re a [00:20:00] foreigner. You picked up her baby, you ruined the nest. And she ate all her babies, like, oh yeah.

So the next time Stella got pregnant. I was really patient and after a couple weeks, those little babies came out of the nest into the front part of the hutch and they, uh, and they were super cute and ran around and, uh, I didn’t name them.

Um, and about a month later my dad said, no, it’s probably time to. To harvest those rabbits. So we had two pine trees that grew pretty close to to each other, and he put a board across and he put some,

he put some rope [00:21:00] coming down from the board and he said, bring me a bunny. And I brought the bunny in and he tied ’em up from the legs. And he held them by the ears and he cut off their heads and he put it in a five gallon bucket, and then he gutted ’em, and then he skinned them, and then he handed me this piece of meat.

And I brought it inside and I gave it to my mom and she cleaned it and she wrapped it in butcher paper and she, and we had rabbit stew and we walked the five gallon bucket up to the hill and uh, and dumped it out and left it for the coyotes.[00:22:00]

And we did this a couple times

and eventually one day as we, uh, like six months later as we were coming down the hill with another empty bucket, I said, dad, I don’t think I want any more pet rabbits. Thank you.

Marc Moss: Thanks, Joyce. Joyce Gibbs was raised in Missoula, Montana, tramping through the woods. She grew up to become an artist builder and Tyler. She is a resilient, creative, and adventurous woman. After a brief stint in New York City and then New Orleans, she bought a dilapidated railroad house on Missoula’s historic North Side and spent the next 15 years remodeling it and making it her own.

When she is not busy, building beautiful spaces. With her tile [00:23:00] installations at Joyce of Tile, you can find her riding her motorcycle, gardening and playing. Closing out this episode of the Tele Something podcast is Amanda Taylor. Amanda was raised in a devout Christian community and was committed to purity, vowing to save herself for marriage.

This conviction was challenged when she moved to Switzerland and met a captivating man. A spontaneous trip to a luxurious hot spring with him leads to a pivotal moment of self-discovery, forcing her to confront her deeply held beliefs. Amanda calls her story. Hallelujah. Thanks for listening.

Amanda Taylor: I found my reverence for Jesus Christ in the town of Powell, Wyoming.

It has about 6,000 people. Um, some diners and a lot of churches and I found my community there at church and it was my closest friends and the people that I was most connected [00:24:00] to. And so I was, uh, once I found them, I was locked into that lifestyle. And I was in it. So by, in it, I mean that by age 16 I had signed a purity contract with God.

Um, really it, it was just a piece of paper that some guy in a church printed, but to me it was from God and I was signing it for him as I took it very seriously. And I wore a purity ring, which if you don’t know what any of this means, you’re lucky. But also it, it means that you are making an agreement with God that you will not have sex until you’re married.

It was a long time and so I made that agreement and I wrote letters to my future husband [00:25:00] and I collaged this box of like romantic pictures and bible verses my meticulously folded these letters and put them in it. And I thought, you know, and when we get married I’ll. Give him this box of letters as though that’s like something someone would want.

And I also, I kept a prayer journal and I wrote in it every day. And if I forgot a day, I would ask God to forgive me for forgetting a day. And then I would also ask at the end, please forgive me for any sins that I forgot about. Just to always just making sure all my bases were covered. So that I could end up in heaven with my friends.

Um, luckily I also had an insatiable desire to travel and see the world. So when I was 20, I, um, signed an actual contract, you know, like one that actually mattered. Um. [00:26:00] To go

to be an au pair in Switzerland. And o an au pair is just a fancy word for a nanny or a person who, uh, cooks, cleans and does all the chores and childcare, uh, for a very low price. And then you, you live with the people as well. So I moved to Switzerland to become a nanny and, um. I got there and I was still like connected with church.

I brought all my church or brought all my prayer journals. I was still on track for heaven. And, uh, within the neighborhoods there, like everyone knew that there was an American living in, in a house. It was me. And whenever another neighbor had an American visiting, they would, they would all like let each other know and they’d be like, Hey, we have an American.

You should send your American down, and they can be Americans together.

And so [00:27:00] about eight months into my time there, uh, we got a call. There was an American down the street at my friend’s house, and I was like, yeah, I, I like friends, I’ll go meet him. So then I went down the street and there was this man named John, and John was 27. He was an architect who had quit his stressful New York City job and was backpacking around Europe and he had shaggy hair.

And he was funny, so, oh no. Um, I loved him instantly. You know, all he had to do was say hi, and I was sold and we had some casual conversation, and then he told me he was going to this really great hot springs in the Alps that weekend. And then he invited me and I was like, pinching myself. I was like, oh my God, is this actually happening?

Am I gonna give him the box of letters?[00:28:00]

Um,

so I, I agreed to go to the hot springs. You know, I, if he invited me to the moon, I would’ve, I would’ve gone. Um. So we made a plan. I was gonna go after work and he would already be there. So the day comes, I get my backpack on, and the some cool outfit that I thought was cool at the time, who knows what it was.

But, um, so I take the train and I get to this hot springs and um, I walk in and if you think of somewhere like Fairmont Hot Springs, you know, there’s like. Children running, running around everywhere in a questionable amount of urine in the water, and you know, probably like. Wondering if you’re gonna get warts on your feet.

Um, it was not that, it was the opposite of that. Uh, it was like nestled into a [00:29:00] mountainside and I walked in and the revolted ceilings and live jazz is happening and John is standing there drinking a glass of wine and I’m standing, I stood there my, with my backpack on. Quickly realizing that this is not a backpack kind of place.

Um, but luckily John got me upstairs quickly. We got my backpack put away, and then we came back downstairs and enjoyed a night of jazz and, uh, conversation and I just kept loving him. Um, so, uh, the next day we soaked in the water and it was the hot springs. Like all of the pools were made out of granite that was mined from the Alps.

And there was a rose petal pool that just smelled like roses. And then there was a, a rain shower that was just like this beautiful room that just, it felt like it was raining. Um, so yeah, basically like Fairmont, you know,[00:30:00]

almost, almost minus the slide, but. So we soaked in there and chatted, and I don’t know how you could not love someone after hanging out in a rose petal pool, but so we were hanging out in this pool and he mentioned an ex-girlfriend. And I said, oh, I’ve never, I’ve never had a boyfriend. And he said, what?

You’ve never had a boyfriend? I was like, no. Why would I, why would I have a boyfriend? And he was like, what is happening? And I was like, well, I’ve actually, like, I’ve never been on a date. He was like, what? I, I was 21 this time. So I suppose that was a little peculiar, but I was like, no, I have never been on a date.

I was like. I’m with the Lord. I don’t go on dates. I got this box of letters. Um, so he said, all right, [00:31:00] tonight we are going on a date. And I said, great. So we went out to this fancy restaurant that I could not have a, could not have afforded by myself for sure. And. You know, my pants had like, were like tattered at the bottom from stepping on it, stepping on them, and I could see around in the restaurant, no, everyone else had nice pants, so I just was like, Ooh, we gotta keep these under the table.

So we had this three course meal. And then dinner wraps up and we went back upstairs to our room and I, um, we were, oh, I forgot to mention earlier the, we were in the same room, but we were, there were two twin beds. Plenty of space for Jesus in between. So we have this beautiful dinner, full bellies. We go up to our separate beds and we’re just laying there in the dark and I’m just smiling.

And he goes, Amanda, I’m like, what? He says, I have a confession. [00:32:00] And I’m like, what? He said When I invited you here, my plan was to hook, hook up with you. And I was like, oh my gosh. And he was like, but now after getting to know you and talking to you, I, I can’t do that to you. You are so sweet and so innocent.

I just, I can’t do that. But I just like, you’re a very attractive woman and, and it’s been wonderful to spend time with you. And I was like, oh. Um, and with all of my strength, I said, well. We could make out just a little, just a little, little make out, never hurt anybody. Um, and then he sat up outta his bed and I pushed the twin beds together.

And the next thing you know, we’re making out. But then I remembered one, we, Jesus is still [00:33:00] here. And then two, I was like, I actually have no idea what to do after kissing. Like I don’t, I dunno what happens after that. I just know that I don’t do that. I don’t even really know the logistics of it. So I said, stop, wait.

I was like, I don’t, I don’t know what to do with, um, that. I don’t know what that is. I don’t know what it looks like. I don’t know. I’ve never looked one in the eyes. I don’t know.

And he is like, what? He said, okay, we are gonna go on a journey of discovery. I was like, cool. And he said, I’m just gonna touch you and you’re gonna say if you like it or not. And if you don’t like it, I don’t do it. And I was like, great. But what about you? He said, you’re not touching me at all. I said, great.[00:34:00]

And then, you know, we kissed a little bit. I was like, I like it. We kissed a lot. I was like, love it. And. And then there was, you know, some like, touching of all the parts, and I still struggle to say the names of ’em, but it’s fine. ’cause I’m just 38. Um,

so yeah, it was like, like, like, like, like, like and then,

and then he. Started kissing down my stomach. I was like, okay, this is too far, this is too far. So I was like, stop, stop, stop. And he said, okay. And then we went to bed. You know, it was like the, the happiest sleep of my life. And we woke up the next day and things kind of just started right where they left off.

Thank you so much. Um, and he starts kissing [00:35:00] down my stomach and I just, I didn’t, I didn’t have the heart to stop him, like I just couldn’t. And so he went and. Really all I have to say about that is hallelujah.

That is so satisfying in a church. I just wanna do it one more time. Hallelujah.

But like all good things, it had to come to an end. And I had to get back to my life. He had to continue backpacking around Europe and so we went our separate ways. I got on my train and he got on his. And, you know, I had little tears in my eyes as I sat down in my seat because now I really loved him. And, [00:36:00] uh, I had about four hours of watching the Alps go by to think about it.

And I just, I could not reconcile the fact that now I was probably going to hell. I know. And I, I was like, but I’m, I’m a good person, but I’m going to hell. And I was, and I just couldn’t, I couldn’t reconcile, reconcile that, and I couldn’t make sense of that. So by the time I got off the train, I was walking up this hill to my house.

I really, I only knew two things at that point. And it was that I was not asking for forgiveness and that all of that needed to happen again. That is all I have. Thank you so much for listening and for coming out.

Marc Moss: Thanks, Amanda. Amanda Taylor resides in Missoula with her cat, Ted. As a child, she spent summers visiting her grandparents in Alder, Montana. [00:37:00] Her earliest memory of Butte is her grandma taking her to the Butte, Walmart, and buying her Reba McIntyre poster. She no longer has the poster, but she still loves Reba McIntyre.

Thanks for listening to the Tell Us Something podcast. Remember that. The next tell us something event is October 7th. The theme is Walk on the Wild Side. You can pitch your story by calling 4 0 6 2 0 3 4 6 8 3. Learn more and get your tickets@tellussomething.org. Coming up on the next episode of the Teso podcast,

Hammy: that was the first thought I have gonorrhea.

The second immediate thought was the place I need to go to treat this gonorrhea is my first day at the health department. I thought, oh my God, this is gonna suck. I get dressed. For some reason, I decide to put on white underwear. To this day, I don’t understand why I chose white.

Katie Van Dorn: And I probably should have figured it out, but I didn’t.

And I [00:38:00] came outta surgery with my right leg, an inch and a half shorter than my left, and I was pod to say the least, and a doctor said, well, that’s the way it has to be. So it just was so, I just learned to. Used poles for hiking, and I put lifts in and outside of my shoe, and I got a lot of body work.

Karna Sundby: When I found his body, I just started screaming and screaming and ran into the house, grabbed the phone, and started dialing my parents in Illinois.

When I realized I can’t just keep screaming when they answered the phone and I can’t stop, I hung up.

Aunvada Being: I asked him if he wanted to open up and he jumped at it. He was thrilled. And that was shocking to me and also terrifying. And I’m, I wish that maybe I had been a bit more terrified because I spent about two years fielding a lot of text messages, asking if it was okay that he had sent pictures to them.

And I, I lost my [00:39:00] mind. I was sad. Three kids and a husband a second one, and I didn’t have what I was realizing I needed.

Marc Moss: Listen to the stories from the June, 2025 live event that closed out Pride Month. The theme was lost and found. Subscribe to the podcast so you’ll be sure to catch it. On the next tell us something podcast.[00:40:00] [00:41:00] [00:42:00] [00:43:00] [00:44:00] [00:45:00] [00:46:00] [00:47:00] [00:48:00] [00:49:00] [00:50:00] [00:51:00] [00:52:00]

Thanks for listening to the Tele Something podcast. Coming up on the next episode of the Tele Something podcast.[00:53:00]

Listen to the stories from our return to Butte America in April of 2025. On the next episode of the Tell Us Something podcast, subscribe to the podcast so you’ll be sure to catch these [00:54:00] stories. On the next tell us something podcast. Remember that. The next tell us something event is October 7th. The theme is Walk on the Wild Side.

You can pitch your story by calling 4 0 6. 2 0 3 4 6 8 3. Learn more and get your tickets@tellussomething.org.

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Marc Moss: [00:00:00] Welcome to the Tele Something podcast. I’m your host, Marc Moss, founder and executive director of Tell Us something. The next Tele Something event is October 7th, 2025. The theme is Walk on the Wild Side. You can learn about how to pitch your story and get tickets@tellussomething.org. This week on the podcast,

Mark Schoenfeld: I’ve been told I look like Matt Damon and you’d have to imagine me. Skinnier with more hair on my head and less on my face. Little bit.

Kelley Provost: My hand finds its way to my purse. I do not let go of these hot five fingers that are my child’s hand, and I grab my phone and it does not ring a second time. My sister and my husband lock eyes with me. We know that this is the news that we’ve been waiting to hear since we left Missoula.

Marc Moss: Four storytellers share their true personal story on the theme. Hold my beer.

Tess Sneeringer: So I turn back to Officer [00:01:00] Becky who has a second question, which is, have you been drinking? And I say, no, ’cause I have not been drinking. And she walks closer than me and she smells me. And she goes, you’ve been drinking.

Jeff Ducklow: I looked to my left. And a tower of ice, probably the size of two Wilma buildings stacked on top of each other was slowly starting to lean away. And I just went, oh my God. My heart was beating so fast. I couldn’t feel it. It was, I was just frozen in disbelief.

Marc Moss: Their stories were recorded. Live in person in front of a sold out crowd on January 13th, 2025 at the George and Jane Denison Theater in Missoula, Montana.

I do have to apologize for the quality of the recording. The gain was set too high on the recording device and there was a lot of his and background noise. I did what I could to remove it, and a lot of that is gone in the process of removing most of the his, all of the applause and ambient noise went away.

The hiss is still noticeable in places. These stories are great [00:02:00] though, and it has been too long. That they’ve been sitting dusty on my hard drive. So let’s get to it. Tell us something acknowledges that we are gathered on the traditional ancestral and unseated territory of the Ponderer Salish and Kni peoples when tell us something engages in land acknowledgements, we try to make them specific to the time of the year that the live event took place.

Keeping that in mind, we know that traditionally storytelling is reserved for the winter months for many tribes. This was a practical choice given the fact that during the other seasons people were busy growing, gathering and hunting food. When the stories on this episode were recorded, it was winter with long, dark evenings, the snow and wind blowing outside, and that is wind telling stories is used to entertain and to teach the children.

Another reason for winter storytelling is that many traditional stories contain animal characters. [00:03:00] To be respectful. People wait until the winter when animals hibernate or become less active so they cannot hear themselves being talked about. We take this moment to honor the land and its native people and the stories that they share with us.

First up is Mark Schoenfeld, who dives into a captivating story of a college sophomore’s unexpected adventure abroad from a covert mission to buy bootleg DVDs to an even more clandestine identity as an undercover evangelical Christian missionary. What happens when a spontaneous prank involving a Matt Damon lookalike turns serious, forcing a confrontation with an organization that calls itself the company and challenges the very meaning of faith?

Mark calls his story. What would Jed do? Thanks for listening. I should start by saying that I can’t tell you where this story takes place. The main [00:04:00] reason is that I would like the option to go back.

Mark Schoenfeld: If I, you know, wanted to, I was a sophomore, just finished my sophomore year of college. I had never been abroad, but here I was halfway across the world and that night, one night we went out on town, a couple guys from the program and myself, we were on a mission to buy. Bootleg DVDs.

So we were in this open air market and uh, the two guys and I had invited, this guy had met in the country to help us because we had no idea what we were doing, and he was going to show us. This opener market and teach us how to find bootleg DVDs. [00:05:00] And it was a lot like, I would imagine trying to find like a woodpecker or something in Greeno Park because there’s a, call it, it’s kind of staccato, it’s D dd.

Listen, and you kind of move around past like some fake Gucci purses and DV.

Past the row of CDs and other trinkets there in an alley was a man with two suitcases and I imagine probably sunglasses, I can’t really remember, but he was looking, trying to look nondescript, and we went and uh, we had invited this friend Jimmy along and he was talking to the man and he was like. Okay, any motion for us to come back.

And he opened up these two suitcases and it looked like he had knocked off a Blockbuster video. [00:06:00] They were overflowing with DVDs and we were just like digging through them. ’cause you know, this is a long time ago. DVDs were a really big deal. I don’t even think Netflix was mailing them yet.

And if I was a college student, so I wouldn’t have been able to afford it. And these were a dollar each. Anyway, I was glad Jimmy was there because he was able to point out some issues that we might have with these DVDs. Like, say exam for example. It was 2002. The, the, uh, third Lord of the Rings movie hadn’t come out yet, but there it was in this suitcase, return of the King, except instead of Mortenson, it was Tom Cruise.

And I had to buy it, and it was legend and it was still a good purchase. And the same was true. Well, he, he also, Jimmy also noted [00:07:00] that there would be some movies that were in theaters and they were probably filmed surreptitiously. So I bought The Born Identity, Matt Damon. Terrible quality, pretty good movie.

You know, he is all like confused about who he is and he is a. So we bought some DVDs, went and had some food, and someone got the idea over beers to pretend like I was famous. See, my two friends in the group both had family from this country, so they could really blend in, they could speak the language.

And Jimmy obviously was from the country. Um, I was not, and I stood out.

And can’t tell you what country it was, but you can just guess that I stood out. And so they said, let’s pretend like you’re famous. It’s not a big tourist town. And I said, okay. And they said, who? Who do you look [00:08:00] like? Who could we say you are? And I said, well, I’ve been told I look like Matt Damon,

and you’d have to imagine me skinnier. With more hair on my head and less on my face. But I, a little bit, I also, I also get Louis Anderson,

which keeps me humble. So anyway, Jimmy and I go to this fountain area where people are taking pictures and hanging out and talking. And a couple minutes later, my friends from the program come and approach us. Talking excitedly come up to me, wanna, to wanna approach me, but Jimmy’s kinda holding him back.

But then I’m like, no, come on. And they come and I sign autographs and take turns taking pictures. And as we had hoped, there were like two more people, maybe four. And then I, you know, kind of repeated it and, and [00:09:00] Jimmy’s like talking to the people in the outskirts. And I can’t understand a word he’s saying except for Hollywood and Matt Damon.

But I’m just signing and signing, taking pictures with people, and I’m just caught up in it. And then I look around. If you were to zoom out, it would be this one white speck in just a sea of non-white people, basically the inverse of Missoula.

Not that I can relate, but. I start to get nervous. Um, and I look at my friends on the outside of the circle now, the ones from the program and they’re whiter than I am, and ask them, they’re these like two kind of official looking people watching us and not happy. And I turn to Jimmy and I say, Jimmy, we gotta go right now.

And he’s got this like shit eating grin [00:10:00] and I’m so glad he didn’t ask me why. Because I would’ve had to lie to him again. I had told him that I was a foreign exchange student, which is what my visa said. But the truth is, I was an undercover evangelical Christian missionary, and I was breaking every rule in the rule book

I had. I had come to the country a few weeks before. And spent all this time in this basement. So you can imagine with this guy who looked like a youth pastor telling us how to do things, and I’ll never forget his goateed face, the way it distorted when he told us how Christians were still persecuted in this country.

And so they gave us code words like God, the father was Fred, Jesus was Jed, and the Holy Ghost was Casper. [00:11:00] Uh. Christians were family and the organization, which you’ve maybe heard of, I won’t say real crusaders though. Um,

they were called the company, which is what they call the CIA and spy movies. Uh,

let’s see. There was competition for adding people to our family, you know, so we called the Mormon and Jehovah’s Witness missionaries, momos and Jojos, and this was fed to us. And they, and, and then there would be competition for our time. So say someone wanted to come and like practice their English on us and not wanna receive the gift of eternal salvation, we, they called them leeches.

Which I found only slightly less offensive than their term for the whole [00:12:00] mission, which was the Orients Express. I think they’ve changed it

at this point. I was, um, pretty disgusted with this organization. I decided to, you know, still do it. Uh, but I was gonna like, do it how I thought Jed would do it. Like ww JD what would Jed do? I had read the Bible, which we were the, the, the textbook. I mean, and I wanted that kind of authentic faith. So I called up, you know, after that night, kind of racked with guilt and just really wanting to be there for my friend that I’d made Jimmy.

I called him up and we went to the coffee shop, tea shop where we had first met, and like that night we started with tea and switched to beers. And as things got looser. I told him the truth that, uh, that I was a family member and that I [00:13:00] wanted to tell him about this guy named Jed. And he, he, he told me that he, he did feel like something was wrong in his life and that he did need something.

He said he often felt like he was, uh, a ship lost at sea. He was like, I’ve got a textbook story for that one. And I was really surprised he was so open and we met. Again and again. Every day after that, until it was time to leave, I was so disappointed. I wanted to go home. I wanted to sit on the toilet,

but I didn’t wanna leave Jimmy. The company told me it was my hubris, uh, that they, that I wanted to convert it. But what the truth is, the night before I left, Jimmy looked at me and he said, am 60% sure Jet is real. But I’m a hundred percent sure I’m a sinner, and the company told me that I had done the hardest part.

I [00:14:00] wanted to go back, but it turns out they don’t let you go be a missionary if you’re not a Christian anymore. So I’ll never get to, I’ll probably never get to see Jimmy. A almost willing to believe in the life.

Marc Moss: Thanks, Mark. Mark Schoenfeld has been a lot of things, a window washer, a screen printer, a public radio host, a middle school teacher, and an adjunct professor to name a few.

One thing he’s always been is a writer of stories, songs, and poems, which led him to earn his MFA in creative writing from the University of Montana. A disgruntled Texan Mark and his family now call Western Montana home. His work has appeared in print, online, and on air, which you can find@markshow.com.

That’s M-A-R-K-S-C-H o.com. In our next story, join Tess Sneeringer, a high school junior on Halloween night in 2009, as she navigates an exclusive party, a ninja clad twin brother. And a [00:15:00] sudden police raid that turns into a chaotic scramble for escape. What happens when a misplaced car and a nosy officer Becky, make this unpopular attendee, the unlikely culprit for the entire bust?

Tess calls her story a chance to be popular. Thanks for listening.

Tess Sneeringer: So there I was sitting on the hood of my mom’s pink Toyota Avalon with my twin brother David, and our friend Paul. Waiting for the cop in front of us to call back up. It was 2009. We were juniors in high school and it was Halloween and we got ourselves into this situation because I decided to go to a party, a party I was barely invited to.

This was really David’s friend’s party and he was always Mr. Popular. And I had my friends and we knew our place and we were not popular. And that is kind of how David and I existed in elementary school, middle school, high school, the whole way through. So much so [00:16:00] that when we got to this new high school on my first or second day, I’m still meeting people and they’re like, oh, you’re David’s sister.

And I was like, oh, that was fast. I guess I gave a my parents a little relief by making friends in the first place. ’cause I saw an email left up one time on the family desktop that said Tess had friends over last night. Thank God. But it was junior year at this point, and the social standings had been set.

But tonight, David knew he needed a ride home from this party and he wasn’t cruel. So he invited me to the party. And yes, I had my friends, we had our place, but you know, if you’re not popular, like okay, maybe, maybe tonight I could be popular. And so I go to the party, but I go late. And I leave DC where we grew up and go out into the suburbs to this house I’ve never been to in a neighborhood called Chevy Chase.

That is the name of the neighborhood. And this is the land of manicured lawns, big houses, cul-de-sacs, [00:17:00] like safe, quiet streets. And again, I don’t know this girl well enough to ever have been to her house, so I’m like trying to decipher the house addresses. This is before smartphone, GPS, and I finally. Find it and I pull over into the first parking spot find, and I, I do have a flip phone, so I text my brother, I’m here, and he comes out and he is dressed as a ninja so I can barely see him, and he is like beckoning me from the bushes.

Okay? So I follow him through this gate, down the stairs, into this basement where there’s full high school rager, ensuing. There’s Natty Light, there’s beer pong, there’s scantily clad Halloween costumes. And I am dressed as this like doth girl and I have a black wig and black lipstick and fake piercings and like a studded belt and combat boots.

And I love that Halloween costume. But that night it might’ve worked a little too well ’cause I went into the party and barely anybody [00:18:00] recognized me. And I really hope that’s ’cause it was the costume and not just ’cause they really didn’t know who I was. But I, I tried my best. I socialize, I held my own.

For about an hour until we hear pounding upstairs on the front door, and sure enough out the like basement windows, we see red and blue lights and the party is officially busted. And despite the host, having told everybody that you go out the back door only leads to the front, everybody goes out the back door and people are hopping fences, army crawling through bushes.

It is a complete. Cluster, everybody’s scattering. And I just glue myself to my brother ’cause I have no experience running from the cops. I, this is well outside my comfort zone. And our friend Paul attaches his fate to ours and joins our team of escape. And so we’re make our way around to the front of the house where we’re kind of in the bushes, but we can see the street [00:19:00] and we see the cop car kind of rolling down the hill, um, away from us chasing our friends.

And so we make a break for it. ’cause our car, I park the car a little bit up the hill, and the second I get my driver, my hand on the driver’s side door, I see the reverse lights from that cop car speed way back up the hill at like 20 miles an hour and stop right in front of us. Officer comes out, introduces herself as Officer Becky, and she asks me, do you know where you’ve parked?

Where I parked? What, and I look around and I see that I am blocking the neighbor’s driveway. They have a car in that driveway. And in the following moments of silence, I realized that I am the only reason the cops have busted this party I was very invited to. So I turn back to Officer Becky who has a second question, which is, have you been drinking?[00:20:00]

And I say, no, ’cause I have not been drinking. And she walks closer than me and she smells me. And she goes, you’ve been drinking. And I’m like, I don’t like, what do you want me to say? But in my head, my father, the ever present lawyer in my life has told me that if I ever end up at a busted party while sober, I should tell the cops to say, I offered to take a breathalyzer test and make them put in in writing.

And so Officer Becky says, you’ve been drinking. And I say, breathalyze me. Officer Becky doesn’t even have a breathalyzer test. She’s a, she came to gimme a ticket, maybe tow my car and ended up ally busting an underage party. So I’m sitting on this hood with me, my brother and Paul, who are probably cursing my name offering to give breathalyzer tests and we’re just waiting there ’cause she has to call backup and these two.[00:21:00]

Fools decide to make polite conversation with Officer Becky and, oh, I’m so sorry. I have to work on Halloween. That’s such a bummer. And this cop is like, actually it’s my favorite night of the week to work. Oh, okay. Super fun loving person here. And then she decides she wants to search us. And again, these two really emboldened tonight, uh, decide to put their.

Recently learned, uh, civil liberties course material to an application and say, do you have probable cause? And she asked them, well, do you have any weapons? My brother is dressed as a ninja. He goes, I have some nunchucks. These are my nunchucks. I took karate. He used them for his costume, hands them over, she searches us.

She doesn’t find anything. And she asked me for our, my id. And I look [00:22:00] nothing like my id. I have a black wig on. I have all this stuff. So I hand it to her and I’m like ripping everything outta my face. Wig piercings out, like trying to smear my makeup, just trying to like it’s me, I swear. And that’s as about about as much as she has to do with us until finally this cop second cop car comes out and this guy comes out, he’s probably like 20 years old, and he just walks up to me and gives me the breathalyzer test.

And I’m like, I don’t know what to do with this. Like, how do you use this thing? And so he takes it back, he unwraps it, he like undoes the straw, hands it back, and Officer Becky goes, you can take this, but you’re not gonna pass. And in my head I’m like, hold my LaCroix. Watch me and I blow into this lyer test, hand it back.

And I see this young cop just like flip the screen a little bit to Officer Becky and then I can see it. There’s three beautiful zeroes. Plus passes flying colors [00:23:00] and Officer Becky goes, have a safe note and that’s it. So the three of us get in the car, you know, we’re all mad at each other for how the other handled the situation.

Um, but we get back to our house in one piece and Monday rules around, and the school day is pretty uneventful for me. But then I get to softball practice and I, one of my friends comes up to me and she’s just like, Hey, are you and Monica okay? Monica’s my softball co-captain, and I’m like, why would Monica and I not be okay?

She goes, oh, well she was at that party and she got her third citation and now she has to go to court. And in my head, two things. One, the first two citations were not my fault. The third one, definitely, I’ll take that one. But the first two were. The second thing that I realized is my name has probably gotten drug through every A OL in instant message group chat.

Like every side conversation, people probably hate my guts, but [00:24:00] I’m not even worth being angry to my face. I’m that unimportant. And in that era that was kind of worked out in my favor ’cause I didn’t have to deal with their hate to my face. Um, and I can’t say I dabbled that much into the popular crowd anymore in high school.

Um. But we made it. My friends and I graduated. College got better years after college got better, and so I just wanna say if any of you are in high school or have a high schooler for which any of this sounds familiar, this too will pass. And if you peaked in high school, I am so sorry. Thank you.

Marc Moss: Thanks Tess.

Tess Sneeringer has lived in Missoula for six years and landed here after spending the first half of her twenties as an outdoor educator across the American West, far away from her childhood home in Washington DC [00:25:00] telling a story for tele something became a Missoula bucket list item after she saw her first show in 2019.

So she told a story in 2021, but then she stayed in Missoula longer than she thought she would. So. She figured she’d do it again. Her first appearance featured a survival story set in the Utah Desert, and she’s back on this episode of the podcast with another survival tale. This time of high school social life.

Coming up after the break,

Kelley Provost: my hand finds its way to my purse. I do not let go of these hot five fingers that are my child’s hand, and I grab my phone and it does not ring a second time. My sister and my husband lock eyes with me. We know that this is the news that we’ve been waiting to hear since we left Missoula.

Jeff Ducklow: I looked to my left and a tower of ice, probably the size of two Wilma buildings stacked on top of each other, was slowly starting to lean away, and I just went, oh my God. My heart [00:26:00] was beating so fast. I couldn’t feel it. It was, I was just frozen in disbelief.

Marc Moss: Stay with us. Remember that. The next tell us something event is October 7th.

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Alright, let’s get back to the stories. You are listening to the Tell Us Something podcast. I’m Marc Moss. In our next story, Kelly Provost shares her raw and honest journey of self-acceptance and defiance. Beginning with a lifelong struggle against body image that culminates in a breast reduction, but just as newfound confidence blossoms on a dream European vacation.

A phone call in London’s West End moments before the Lion King performance delivers a life altering diagnosis that changes everything. Kelly calls her story Careful what you wish for. Thanks for listening.

Kelley Provost: We were about ready to walk in to a production of The Lion King in London’s West End when I was diagnosed with breast cancer, now, I always knew my breasts were going to kill me when I was 12.

I thought it was going to be from embarrassment because I realized for the first time that they’re [00:28:00] supposed to be there. 13 and 14 more of the same. I am buying bras for just very little content, but it’s making me feel a little better about myself to, uh, you know, be a part of middle school. 14 and 15.

Come and boy, howdy. So did the knackers violently, seemingly overnight they appear. Think two globes on a stick, not what I ordered. Thank you very much. So the tone of the embarrassment shifts from non-existent to, oh my god, I gotta hide these ladies. Um, a very intricate, very large lever and pulley system exists to keep them found in where they’re supposed to [00:29:00] be and hidden.

Saying goodbye to button up shirts and sassy straps, and God forbid strapless on any occasion at all. And it just becomes this whole thing. So from about 16, I would say till 38, it was hide and seek. It was, you know, under pillows. Hiding my bra hooking up and just lamenting and loathing the breasts that I had so desperately in seventh grade.

I must, I must, I must increase my bust. You know, be careful what you wish for.

So I had looked into getting a breast reduction before and when I was about 21, I had some good insurance. And, uh, I made the appointment and I went in and they had said that, um, that was all fine and dandy, except for [00:30:00] that I wouldn’t be able to nurse future baby. I have no idea why at 22 that mattered. I mean, the way I was living my life was not conducive to a child in any form, but I thought, oh no, I better not do that.

And, uh, so I didn’t. So life goes on and I’m, I’m having the boobs. It’s all a big mess. And, uh, I meet the love of my life and we start having beautiful babies. And finally these large ridiculous mammies do their job and they nourish two beautiful, healthy babies. So by the time I’m 38, I’m, I’m back on the breast reduction train thinking I might do that.

It took a while to convince the, uh. Insurance company that running as I am a runner with size. I mean, we’re talking like double K shit you’ve never heard of, they don’t sell ’em in Dillard’s, y’all. Um, you know, I, I’m, I’m sending pictures after a 20 mile run, like do it, [00:31:00] you know, blood, ugh. They finally agreed to this breast reduction.

So at 43 years of age in 2015, I get. And you’re going, what took me so long? Well, I’ll tell you this. I finally had the figure. I had wanted. I was proportioned. I was happy. They were beautiful. And so from 43 to 44 to 45, I bought all the clothes I wanted to. I do love fashion. I was having so much fun with it, and I decided I was having so much fun that I was gonna take these beautiful ladies.

My husband, our two young sons, and my sister to Europe. So we all went, my family and my chest and myself and my cute suitcase filled with a lot of clothes that I was excited to wear on many different occasions. We were starting off in London and we’re gonna do a week in Paris, and then two [00:32:00] weeks in Spain.

So I cultivated my outfits carefully. So here we are. In London. It is July 5th, 2017. We had landed in Europe on July 2nd, so we’re just day three in. We’d had a day of sightseeing and we’re gonna have a little lie about in our flat in London. Before the nights events, we were really excited about this one, the kids, because they like the Lion King.

Of course, it’s on London’s famed West End. We know the production is. Brilliant costumes, acting all of the events. I am mostly looking forward to looking good with London’s elite in the West end, having a fabulous meal. Soaking it all in nodding yes, I see you. You look so good. Me too. Right. And uh, you know, just, just really [00:33:00] enjoying a night out with London’s culture.

As one wilt with expectations, they begin being dashed almost immediately. What turned into a three hour break, turned into a two hour break, turned into a one hour break, and I don’t look fabulous. I’m hot. I hate being hot. We’re late. I hate being late. And instead of my fabulous sit down dinner with really insensible shoes that we took an Uber to, it’s looking like we might not eat at all and we might not make it to the theater on time.

Damnit, dammit, dammit, dammit, dammit. So we hop on the London, uh, metro system and we pop off that Piccadilly Circus, think Times Square, think. Super crowded. Think any other time in my life I’d be soaking it all in, loving every minute of it, but instead I’m feeling [00:34:00] real gross. ’cause we’d eaten McDonald’s.

We were very overdressed. Um, I’m hot, I’m sweaty. But we, we, we land in Piccadilly Circus. Very crowded, very busy. Lots of bodies that I didn’t create or I’m not married to or related to touching me. And we’re late and it’s starting to be a real problem for me, and I’m losing the battle to not ruin the evening for everybody.

And I death grip my 6-year-old son’s hand, and it’s hot and it’s sweaty, but I ain’t losing this boy. And I’m kind of watching my husband’s blackhead Bob as he navigates us to what we know is the West End and the theater. And we’re looking for that marquee that says The Lion King. And my phone rings. Now you might think that from what I just described, that I would fumble for my phone and it falls off and breaks, and that’s the story.

But it’s not because I’m [00:35:00] waiting for this call. Tom Petty had it right the way is the hardest part, so my hand finds its way to my purse. I do not let go of these hot five fingers that are my child’s hand, and I grab my phone and it does not ring a second time. My sister and my husband lock eyes with me.

We know that this is the news that we’ve been waiting to hear since we left Missoula on July 2nd. Is this Kelly? Provost? It is. This is Dr. Ty. It is breast cancer. Hey. Thanks Dr. Tai. That’s what I thought. Um, okay. Got a run. Now when there is a crack in the universe such as that, you sort of remember everything that happened before then, and very little of what happened immediately after.

But I can tell you it was something [00:36:00] like Dr. Strange or The Matrix, but without the capes or the portal or the drugs and. Uh, I took a second. My sister, my husband, I don’t know if I uttered it, but we all simultaneously knew that I had just been diagnosed with cancer, breast cancer. I didn’t know what kind, I didn’t know how fast moving.

I wasn’t sure if I could continue on for the rest of my vacation. And time didn’t stand still, as it turns out. So we’re still rushing. We’re still going, and we make our way into that Dang theater. Stunned. Not completely surprised. But you know what a feeling, never have I been so grateful for the lights to dim so that I could come into my body.

My death flashed before me. And unlike other times, I’d fantasized about my death because I had, let’s face it, um, this, this time [00:37:00] I wasn’t thinking, oh, they’ll be so sad. I was like, man, I married a good man. He’ll remarry and she will love those kids. My sister has the best relationship with them that she possibly could.

They will miss me, but they could read my diary because I have conducted myself in such a way that I leave behind a leg. Legacy of love and beauty. So. Intermission hits, lights come up. I tell my husband to go get the kids some souvenirs, and I get the information that I was really looking for, which was, can I stay on vacation, or is this shit super serious that I need to fly out early?

We’d already discussed such a proposition. I make my way outdoors and I, I get on the horn and I, I reach St. Ronnie, a community medical Senator Center. She is a nurse navigator and she starts telling me information that I’m digging. She starts saying things like, it’s [00:38:00] stage one, it’s slow moving. It’s the good kind of cancer.

There’s, there’s no such thing. FYII love ani, but no. And, um, I’m relieved. I’m relieved that I can stay on my vacation. I decide I’m gonna be done trying to watch my figure so that by the time I get to Spain, I look great in my bathing suit. Because here’s the thing, please don’t wait for a cancer diagnosis to eat all the tear soup, extra butter on your bread to live your life out loud, to rip your top off in every beach in Spain, which I did.

I encourage you to start living now and you can keep your top on if you want.

Marc Moss: Thanks Kelly. Kelly Provost is a survivor, a thriver, a lover, and a lover. She loves Duran Duran fashion. Laughing and dancing. Watching people be proud of themselves is her favorite thing [00:39:00] ever. Her goal is to create a community of people who love themselves so much.

That they inspire others to do the same. A life coach. A life lover, a life liver. Closing out this episode of the Tell Us Something podcast, Jeff DLow embarks on an adventure Wish, a seminary graduate Turns sea kayak guide Jeff recounts the incredible dangerous decision to paddle towards and touch. A Tidewater glacier in Alaska.

What began as a bold pursuit of a memorable death could quickly become a fight for survival against one of nature’s most unpredictable forces. Jeff calls his story a terrible idea. Thanks for listening.

Jeff Ducklow: So before I tell you what happened on August 7th, 2015, I need to clear up a couple things. The first thing is it wasn’t when I looked back.

That I knew what I did was stupid. I knew before I did it that it was stupid. [00:40:00] The second thing is, even if you graduate from Princeton Theological Seminary with a master’s in Divinity, yes, a master of Divinity,

it doesn’t necessarily make you any wiser. And for those of you. Who might judge me as a man with a death wish. I say, no, it was not a death wish. It was an adventure wish. So skipping over the part where a seminary grad who is headed for ministry becomes an adventure guide heading towards a glacier. I’m gonna save that for the next, tell us something with a theme.

Hold my Bible.

But since this is hold my bear. It was a warm Alaskan summer day and I was paddling in a remote fjord all by myself because it [00:41:00] was my day off from sea Kayak guiding. It’s at this time I got one of the worst ideas I’ve ever had. It was the most unrecommended, the most dangerous thing I could do that day.

I decided I would approach one of the most powerful, unpredictable forces in nature. I would approach my sea kayak a Tidewater glacier, and touch it with my bare hand. Now again, I did not have a death wish, but I have to be honest, I always admired family trees that had really interesting deaths.

And I thought, you know, being crushed by a glacier, that’s, that’s pretty good.

I had seen others like trampled by elephants in [00:42:00] Borneo or died after catastrophic igloo collapse. I never wanted a mundane death like died while choking on a hot dog at the state fair. That wouldn’t do. But crushed by a glacier, not too shabby. So I decided today was the day as I started paddling. I’m thinking this is a terrible idea.

Now, the glacier I’m talking about is huge. At the face of it, where it comes into the water, it’s a mile long. It’s about 500 feet high. It stretches back. It’s basically a river of ice going 13 miles up to some very high of elevation where it’s a 700 square mile ice field. So I dunno if you’ve been around glaciers, but it’s basically this river of ice always moving downhill.[00:43:00]

And the tide water glacier in particular is very unstable because as it comes into the ocean that water is starting to erode the foot of the glacier. I’m making it even more unstable as the rest of it continues to move downhill. And sometimes they pop, they crack, and at other times it might sound like an incredible boom of thunder when a big chunk of ice will break off the face of the glacier and land in the water.

In fact, it’s so compelling. Cruise ships would come and they would watch the Glacier Cat Now. As a guide. I knew this, and yet I continued forward.

The other thing about the glacier is when it calves off, it leaves icebergs in the water, and in this case, it really matters because you’ve heard of the phrase tip of the iceberg. [00:44:00] These tips were huge. These were very large tips.

After the last story, I want you to hear ’em saying tips.

Some of these tips were the size of submarines or a house and what that meant as a sea kayaker. If you’re cruising by one and it decides to roll like they do. It will scoop you up to an early grave. So you try to stay away from the berg. Remember the Titanic? So now I’m paddling, and if you’ve ever been in Alaska, you also know it’s so huge that it’s almost impossible to judge distance.

I’d never gone anywhere this far with with my clients. So. [00:45:00] An hour, hour and a half had gone by and it seemed I wasn’t much closer. And then I get to the spot where I’d seen cruise ships, where they watched the glacier calving and calving, by the way, doesn’t involve cattle. I was confused for about a month up there looking for cows in the water.

Someone help ’em. Um, it’s just big chunks of ice that break off and become icebergs. So I get to the, this place and it’s, it’s a half mile back because that’s the law that a cruise ship needs to stay a half mile back from the glacier because when a big chunk of ice breaks off, it can create a wave as high as 30 feet.

It can also create an underwater tsunami just as large, which could capsize, uh, a large, and just for reference, I’m in a sea kayak.[00:46:00]

Which is basically a 14 foot tube of plastic, and I’m going past that mark, and I’m thinking, this is a terrible idea, but somehow I feel like I’m being sucked in against my will. I thought I heard the ice saying, come to the eyes, and like, yes, my frozen Lord. And now I’m getting pretty close and I see where there’s a group of harbor seals.

They’re hauled up on the ice like they do. And normally they’re super cute. They have these big eyes and they’ll pop up next to your kayak and look at you. But this time they look more concerned.

I thought I saw one. Say what? In the name of humanity. And I don’t know if seals are religious, but I’m pretty sure I saw one of them with his flipper make the sign of the cross

and bean [00:47:00] seals. They followed me for a while. That’s what they do. But then they suddenly disappeared as if to say, we have pups to feed, we have fishing to do, and even though we’re waterproof, this is as far as we go. And now I get to. I really close to the glacier. I can’t see the top of it, just the wall in that.

And suddenly the temperature plummets and the atic winds, as they call ’em, are blowing off the glacier and I’m freezing. There’s gear for these kinds of expeditions, but I wasn’t wearing it.

And I’m getting up closer to the glacier. It’s amazing. It’s blue, it’s white, and it looks like. Giant rock crystals rising up from the sea into the sky. It’s like I landed on another planet. I’d never been this close before. And then I remember why I went and [00:48:00] kept on going and now it’s like 50 yards, 25 yards.

What am I doing? But I’m in too deep, my friends. And now it’s 10 yards. 10 feet, and I stop paddling. I drift in.

I’m looking straight up, 500 feet of ice over my head. And I don’t know if I touched it too hard.

I looked to my left and a tower of ice, probably the size of two Wilma buildings stacked on top of each other. It was slowly starting to lean away, and I just went, oh my God. My heart was beating so fast. I couldn’t feel it. It was, I was just frozen in disbelief. And then I thought, here comes the Darwin Award.

I, and [00:49:00] I had certainly earned it. It was nature’s way of saying, excuse me, we, we don’t think you should reproduce. And it was a cold hand on the shoulder saying, we’re gonna have to take you outta the gene pool. And then I thought, I heard the ice again saying, come towards delight Jeff. Come towards delight.

And for a moment I thought, okay, I thought I didn’t really have a choice anyway. Then I thought I heard the voices of loved ones saying, don’t go towards the luck. And then I thought, I heard the voice of my very practical mother saying, oh, great, now who’s gonna mow my lawn? And just then the will to live was ignited and with an incredible,

that’s what it felt like. I paddled as hard as I could, and I was just [00:50:00] waiting for this multi-story wave to crash down on me with huge icebergs. And I saw a huge iceberg in front of me. So I started going towards it and I was able to get to the far side of it. And as I did, I heard an amazing sucking sound and I thought, this is it.

And I looked over to my shoulder and this iceberg is about the size of a small house, went straight up out of the water, like an atomic cloud. And I go, this is it. But I also remember thinking, so that’s what the bottom of a glacier looks like.

And so I was still paddling for my life when suddenly I realized I was spared all the energy for that falling tower of ice was absorbed by this iceberg, and in suddenly I looked around. It was sunny, it was warm, and I was alive, and I, I started paddling in reverence. [00:51:00] No more whistling, no more singing. I passed by the seals again.

One of them was shaking his head saying, you lucky son of a bitch.

I got back to the lodge. I didn’t tell anybody what I’d done.

I went into my cabin and I pondered and I came up with this. I paddled away agnostic on whether or not nature was my friend or my buddy, but I also came out a believer. That nature wasn’t against me. This experience didn’t get me back on the religious road, but I do believe that day I made my peace with God. Thank you.

Marc Moss: Thanks, Jeff. Jeff Ducklow has always loved nature. As a youngster, he spent most of his free time playing in the woods and felt more at home there than he did anywhere indoors. He considered nature his friend, even into adulthood when [00:52:00] he decided to turn his passion for nature into a career as an adventure guide.

Yes, Jeff felt he and nature were buddies, A belief he wholeheartedly embraced until the events in his story that you just heard shook his faith and gave him more insight into the nature of nature. Thanks for listening to the Tell Us Something podcast. Coming up on the next episode of the Tell Something podcast,

Nita Maddox: he walks up and he’s got this completely unredeemable action adventure movie, and I pull up his account and it’s just bad movie choices and $50 in late fees, and he tries to introduce himself again, and I was like.

Listen buddy. You have terrible taste in movies. You owe $50, you’re gonna need to pay us $20 of those late fees. Take your crappy movie and kick rocks.

Joyce Gibbs: And so I run around to the back where the, where the nesting area is while she’s eating her food. And I open up the cage or open up the back of the hutch.

[00:53:00] And there they are. Four furlough eyeballs closed. Squirmy little baby rabbits. And they’re squirmy so much so that one of them falls out of the back of the hutch and lands in the snow and it starts screaming

Amanda Peterson: and I was in it. So by in it, I mean that by age 16 I had signed a purity contract with God.

Really it, it was just a piece of paper that some guy in a church printed, but to me it was from God and I was signing it for him. Thus, I took it very seriously and I wore a purity ring.

Marc Moss: Listen to the stories from our return to Butte America in April of 2025. On the next episode of the Tell Us Something podcast.

Subscribe to the podcast so you’ll be sure to catch these [00:54:00] stories. On the next Tell us something podcast. Remember that. The next tell us something event is October 7th. The theme is Walk on the Wild Side. You can pitch your story by calling 4 0 6 2 0 3 4 6 8 3. Learn more and get your tickets at Tell us something org.

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Marc Moss: [00:00:00] Welcome to the Tele Something podcast. I’m your host, Mark Moss, founder and executive director of Tell Us something. The next Tele something event is October 7th, 2025. The theme is. Walk on the wild side. You can learn about how to pitch your story and get tickets@tellussomething.org. This week on the podcast,

Jeremy Keene: Willie was one of those people, you just kind of into his energy and his mischief, like moths to a flame.

Meco Correia: And I turn off of sixth Street onto a side street. And so I’m in the heart of Missoula and I look up on the horizon. And something catches my eye and my first thought is it’s a helicopter. And as I look at it, I say, that’s going too fast.

Marc Moss: Four storytellers share their true personal story on the theme.

Hold my beer,

Kali Neumeister: and we get an alert on our phones that says Severe storm warning. And [00:01:00] then the power goes out. I don’t know if you know where you were at on July 24th, 2024, but I was 38 weeks pregnant having contractions. Knowing what to do with my evening ’cause I’m not quite ready to go to the hospital.

Tom Attard: So I tell him, Tim, you are impossible to love. You are destroying yourself. Like, what is your problem? Do you hate yourself? Are you mad at God? Do you have some kind of bitterness or anger?

Marc Moss: Their stories were recorded. Live in person in front of a sold out crowd on January 13th, 2025 at the George and Jane Denison Theater in Missoula, Montana.

I do have to apologize for the quality of the recording. The gain was set too high on the recording device and there was a lot of his and background noise. I did what I could to remove it and a lot of that is gone. In the process of removing most of the hiss, all of the applause and ambient noise went away.

The hiss is still noticeable in places. [00:02:00] These stories are great though, and it has been too long that they’ve been sitting dusty on my hard drive. So let’s get to it. TE us, something acknowledges that we are gathered on the traditional ancestral and unseated territory of the Ponderer Salish and Kni peoples.

When te us something engages in land acknowledgements, we try to make them specific to the time of the year that the live event took place. Keeping that in mind, we know that traditionally storytelling is reserved for the winter months for many tribes. This was a practical choice given the fact that during the other seasons.

People were busy growing, gathering and hunting food when the stories on this episode were recorded. It was winter with long, dark evenings, the snow and wind blowing outside, and that is when telling stories is used to entertain and to teach the children. Another reason for winter storytelling is that many traditional stories [00:03:00] contain animal characters.

To be respectful. People wait until the winter when animals hibernate or become less active so they cannot hear themselves being talked about. We take this moment to honor the land and its native people and the stories that they share with us

tell us something. Stories sometimes have adult themes. Storytellers sometimes use adult language. Please take care of yourselves. In our first story, Jeremy Keen and his buddies embark on a cross country road trip with a big gulp, super glued to the roof of the car, right along with Jeremy to experience the hilarious reactions and unexpected encounters Everywhere they went, Jeremy calls his story Big Gulp.

Thanks for listening.

Jeremy Keene: So you, y’all know what a big gulp is, right? It’s that 32 inch. A cup that you get at seven 11 comes with a lid and a straw. Your favorite soft drink have [00:04:00] seven 11 around here. But you know what I’m talking about. All the, every convenience store has one of these things. Well, the best thing we ever did was alluded to the top of my brother’s car.

It was my friend Willie’s id. He found this tube of super glue in the glove box. And he was like a little kid at Christmas. He’s all looking around and smiling, like, we gotta glue something.

So Willie was actually my brother’s friend. We were all going to school together in Boulder, Colorado, and uh, we’d hang out. Willie was one of those people, you’re just kind of drawn to his energy and his mischief, like moths to a flame and. One of our favorite things to do is to go on road trips. My brother had this 1973 Volvo station wagon he got from our parents.

Bright yellow had [00:05:00] the four speed manual and way too many miles. We packed that thing full of sleeping bags and potato chips and beer, some extra oil. So the back end sagged, like it wouldn’t make it around the block. We but it, but it did. And we went places. Went to Newport Beach and went to Mexico to the Grand Canyon and uh, Willie would always go along.

It wasn’t like he didn’t have to ask him or anything, he’d just show up. He’d have his long underwear and his cutoff shorts, and his pillow in one hand is toothbrush in the other.

Going on road trips with your buddies is a little bit different than road trips with your parents. This is the same car we used to take family road trips in, but when you go with your buddies, you see life through lens and Willie’s lens was like a carnival.

So the last road trip we ever did with Willie was we went to Mardi Gras [00:06:00] and we were around the backyard waiting for my brother to get outta class or something like that. And, um, fixing things on the car, which was basically Willie scraping the bugs off of. The windshield that the spatula

Tom Attard: found

Jeremy Keene: made, the cards fixed.

So that’s when he found the super glue and then he spotted the big gulp in the console between the seats. And, uh, I wasn’t, didn’t think it was a good idea. Glue up to my brother’s car because, you know, it’s a piece of shit. It’s his car. He’s gonna be pissed that we ruined the paint. But Willie thought this was the funniest thing he’d ever thought of, and he was determined.

He glued that thing right above the passenger side door where he might set it and get. Then I remember there’s this picture of Willie standing on the running board with his arm on the door and he is got his mouth on the straw thing, stayed on for 1500 miles.[00:07:00]

I’d be surprised. The lengths that people go to to tell you, you’ve left your big gulp on top of the car. They would run after us as we were pulling outta the gas station. There was this whole group of church kids in a van and it was like a slalom course driving through ’em as they tried to save the big gulp

where people would catch up to us on the freeway going 70 miles an hour and honk and point and. And we just smile, like had no idea what they were talking about.

Willie uh, Willie liked to do this thing. He called Newton’s. He put the, he put the car in neutral and put both feet on the floor and let it start rolling down the hill. So, if you remember, um, Newton’s law of motion is force equals mass times acceleration, where force is measured in Newton’s. And this is a 1973 Volvo station [00:08:00] wagon and acceleration is gravity, 19.8 meters per second going down the hill.

We’d all hang on and we’d watch the speedometer. 75 80, 85, 95. People trying to save the goal would give up. Fall behind.

Willie also used to love to get kicked outta things. He would get us kicked out of everything at at Mardi Gras. We waited in the rain to get into this restaurant for like an hour and by the time we got in there all hungry and wet and they put us at this little table in the middle of the whole restaurant and I could tell it wasn’t gonna work.

Willie’s, he can’t sit still. He is running. And talking to everybody, slapping people on the back, buying drinks, yelling at the waitress, and the, the manager finally comes over, guy named Michael. He is got Michael on his name tag and [00:09:00] he’s real polite, says, Hey, you know, we just, we just need your friend to come sit down and, you know, stop cussing so much.

So we call Willie over and Hey, Willie, come. And, and he, he just says. More money and he disappears out the door into the rain to get find an ATM machine. We don’t see him again for like 30 minutes, and we do, Michael’s got him by the arm and he says, look, your friend just has to sit down and stop swearing.

And Willie immediately says, shit, Michael, your pants are too fucking tight. You should relax more often.

Now I didn’t eating anything all day and I ordered this one of these Cajun burgers with all the fixings and puppies on the side, and I can see back in the open kitchen, they’re just about to bring our food out. I looked at Willie and I looked at my brother, [00:10:00] my friend Jeff,

and then my brother stands up and says, well, if he goes, we all go.

I took one last look at my burger. I knew that was gonna be a good burger. And then when I followed my friends out the door side, Willy’s standing on the sidewalk looking, sorry. He’s got bare feet cut off shorts. He’s wearing Hawaiian shirt that’s only got two buttons left. He’s got Mardi Gras beads down to his waist.

His curly hair is all wet, hanging in his face. I just looked at him. I said, Willie, man, where the fuck are your shoes? And then Michael comes back and tosses, Willie’s shoes out onto the sidewalk, and he sits down on the curb and kind of Dejectedly puts them and looks at us and says They were wet, explained everything.[00:11:00]

Then he got up and looked at the people still waiting in line to get in and said, y’all don’t eat there. Food sucks. If we’re going down to the corner where there’s a hot dog stand, they’ve got hurricanes now. Hurricanes are these rum and fruit drinks that they serve at Mardi Gras and they come in a big plastic cup with lid and a straw.

We probably should have glued one of those to the car. I don’t know. When we lost the big Gulp, when Mardi Gras was over, we drove to Pensacola so we could save Florida. Sat on the beach all day and filmed a Kung Fu movie. Willie and my brother fighting the waves as they came into shore.

Uh, and then, you know, when the sun went down, we got in the car and started driving home, and it was probably somewhere in the middle of the night, three in the morning I stopped take a piss, and standing there in the headlights, I saw the big gulp, was all it was [00:12:00] left was this ring of super glue.

A couple years after that, Willie was gone. My brother called me and said he’d crashed his hang glider into the side of, I’d never known anybody that died before, at least nobody my age. And for a long time I just kept thinking we’d find him again. Like all those times that Willie would get lost. You could be standing there talking to Willie one minute, and the next minute he’d be gone.

And then you wouldn’t see him again for like three hours and we’d go looking for him. ’cause you know what? If something happened, but we could never find him, and then he’d just turn up later at the hotel sleeping in front of the door. I,

I think some people just burn so bright. They’re only here for a flash, a shooting star or a bolt of lightning. And afterwards, you’re never quite [00:13:00] sure what you saw. That’s how it was with Willie. I think we all know somebody like that. If he’d lived, he’d be in his fifties today, have a hard time imagining what he’d be like.

I like remembering when he was 20. It reminds me that not everyone gets to stay here for very long, and it reminds me, I’m glad I’m still here. I’m glad I get to stay a little longer, and I know Willie’s not lost. He knows where he is. We just can’t find him. Right. Thank you.

Marc Moss: Thanks, Jeremy. Jeremy Keene graduated from the University of Colorado in 1994 and landed a three month temp job in Missoula and never left.

He met his wife Heather, and they raised two talented daughters who are now flung far and wide in the world after a long career, engineering streets and highways, Jeremy became the city Public Works [00:14:00] director in 2019. When he is not sailing on Flathead Lake, you might find him riding mountain bikes in the hills around Missoula or playing beer league hockey at the Glacier Ice rink.

In our next story, Miko Correa is a former PACU nurse with a heightened awareness of horizons and the lingering echoes of trauma. Discover how a unique self-care practice involving Japanese rope art provides grounding and connection, setting the stage for an extraordinary encounter with the unknown. On a quiet Missoula Street, Miko calls her story eye on the sky.

Thanks for listening.

Meco Correia: From 1998 to 2000. I worked in a local hospital in the post anesthesia care unit, also known as the recovery room, and several times a month I had to carry a [00:15:00] pager and be on call. For those of you that are not from pre-cellphone error, that’s a way that somebody could get in touch with you.

And believe it or not, I was told I needed to explain that. Uh,

so, um, as the, my day off technically, but I was an on-call day off, and if my pager buzzed I well prior to my pager buzzing, I became very acutely aware of the horizon. Um, where the helicopters would be coming in and the helicopters usually meant that somebody had something really awful happen to them where they made a bad decision and now they were life fighting in.

So I became aware of watching [00:16:00] the horizon. Um. Not just when I was carrying a pager, but it became a heightened sense that I noticed things in the sky. And when I would feel, what I would feel is my heart would start racing, my stomach would clench, my hands would get sweaty, and it really helped me to tune into that sense of embodiment, like how things felt for me.

And this segues into, I am from those experiences of recognizing that people carry a lot, a lot of, a lot of traumas. In both my career I used the opportunity to, to connect and touch people, to help ground them. So that kind of segued into. I am a [00:17:00] whole creator in a community here in Missoula, built on helping people to ground an essential way to heal their collective traumas.

And so it’s a very supportive, very loving environment and it’s pretty powerful. So part of that is also finding different ways that help me to feel grounded and uh, one of those ways was. On the afternoon of October 13th, it was a Sunday in 2024, so three months ago, and I was spending an afternoon doing, um, a sari session.

ChAARI is the Japanese art of rope tying or rope bondage, and in a session, if I have ropes. Um, when they’re tied on me, they’re not tight, [00:18:00] but it allows a compression that releases an incredible amount of endorphins, so your natural opiates and that helps relieve and, uh, my autoimmune issues where I carry a lot of inflammatory side effect, but it also helps me really ground into a deep space of connection and.

Wholeness. So on that afternoon, after that, um, session, I was out running some errands and I had just, as I was out running the errands, I was listening to have Chorus Sing. It’s a, it’s a song, but it’s a mantra, a Hindu mantra called, oh. Potty m and all is [00:19:00] considered by the Hindus as the sound of the universe, universal sound, and in that sentence of M potty M, it’s a mantra to all in relief from suffering.

For each of us, it’s like a global prayer to help relieve our suffering. And it’s a beautiful, uh, choir that’s singing this. So my car is just reverberating with this gentle praise music, and I turn off of sixth Street onto a side street. And so I’m in the heart of Missoula and I look up on the horizon and something catches my eye and my first thought.

Is it’s a helicopter, which after all these years I’m still, I still have a bit of a [00:20:00] response to them, and as I look at it, I say, that’s going too fast. And it is literally in less than a blink of an eye, it traveled across that half of the valley and I stopped in the middle of the road. No, no cars. It’s a side street.

Not a lot of traffic. But I stop and I look at this, and in this microsecond observation, I say, what the hell? And there above me, it’s not a helicopter. It’s bigger than a helicopter, but smaller than an airplane. It’s kind of lowy. Metal. So it’s got its own radiance. There are no lights, no reflectors, no propellers, no [00:21:00] gen engines, no turbo boosters or thrusters.

There is no, uh, chem trail that cross the sky. It’s dusk. Um, I looked at my, my. A clock on my dashboard and it was 5:09 PM and I like super fast, took in these details that it’s silver. It had kind of a dry type shape front, and the body had what I would say would be wings, except they were tipped up and they were shaped like flattened, uh, triangles.

And on the one wing there was an arch of red with, or it was an arch, but had red symbols and it was like, like an arch. And then there was another arch below it that [00:22:00] had red symbols and they were just out of focus where I couldn’t make out what they were. But this spacecraft was just above the tree line.

And there was no seams, honest crap and no windows. And immediately I have this sense of incredible love, like grounded in love. I didn’t the sweaty hands, I didn’t like the clenched stomach. I didn’t have that visceral response. It was just the opposite. It was beautiful. And as I’m looking at this spacecrafts, I wanna say spaceship, I, I mean, I said all it’s, you know, I said in my head, no words in my head [00:23:00] because I had such an incredible sense of love.

If you are a UFO, you could totally take me. And by golly, that. That craft slid over to the left and turned slightly toward me, and I realized at that point we were communicating and I got a download that without words, there were no words. It was just this sense of knowing that my mission is to love myself abundantly.

Uh, and to let that spread out to others and to teach them about self-love and connection and let that ripple out through our planet. And I was recognizing that the sense and the feeling that I had from this experience was [00:24:00] equal to the sense that I had when I had the ropes. Very grounded, very loving, very reassuring.

And so I don’t know what you would do if you saw a UFO, but this is what I did. I said thank you, and then I drove away.

Marc Moss: Thanks, Miko Miko. Correa is a believer that a nourishing meal cooked and shared in love will advance soul healing on this planet. She’s a co-creator in a sensual healing touch community, a culinary artist, a watercolor dabbler, a gypsy gardener, and an RN that has touched many lives and bodies in this community for over 25 years coming up after the break.

Tom Attard: So I tell him, Tim, you are impossible to love. You are destroying yourself. Like, what is your problem? Do you hate yourself? Are you mad at [00:25:00] God? Do you have some kind of bitterness or anger?

Kali Neumeister: And we get an alert on our phones that says severe storm warning, and then the power goes out. I don’t know if you know where you were at on July 24th, 2024, but I was 38 weeks pregnant, having contractions, knowing what to do with my evening ’cause I’m not quite ready to go to the hospital.

Marc Moss: Stay with us. Remember that The next tell us something event is October 7th. The theme is Walk on the Wild Side. You can pitch your story by calling 4 0 6 2 0 3 4 6 8 3. You can learn about how to pitch your story and get tickets at, tell us something. DOT org. Thank you to our story sponsor who helped us pay our storytellers the Good Food Store for more than 50 years, the Good Food Store has been Missoula’s homegrown independent source for natural, organic, and locally sourced food.

Learn more@goodfoodstore.com. Thanks to our media sponsors, Missoula events.net Blue Dog Media and Missoula Broadcasting Company. [00:26:00] Learn more about them and listen online@missoulabroadcastingcompany.com. Thanks to our in kind sponsors Float Missoula. Learn more@floatmsla.com and Joyce of tile. Learn about Joyce and the work that she does@joyceoftile.com.

Alright, let’s get back to the stories. You are listening to the Tell Us Something podcast. I’m Mark Moss. Tom Attard shares his story about a raw and emotional Christmas Eve encounter at a Kalispell bar where a man’s heartbreak leads him to his little brother. A drywall delivering, street fighting functional alcoholic.

They’re intertwined lives, marked by a decade of distance and dangerous choices build to a powerful, desperate conversation about change. Crack a beer and listen along to Tom’s story that he calls a ride home from the rainbow. Thanks for listening.

Tom Attard: Where do you go when you get dumped on Christmas Eve?

You go to the [00:27:00] purveyors of peace, the home of the magical elixir of emotional amnesia. You, you go to the bar, but who are you gonna find at the bar on Christmas Eve? Well, I’ll tell ya. You are gonna find somebody who’s burnt every bridge, someone who’s taxed every relationship in their life, to the point of breaking, who has no one left, no relationships to speak of.

And so to the bar I went. So I’m walking up to Stockman’s Pool Hall in Kalispell, Montana. And I look across the parking lot and I see this big, burly guy’s got a bushy beard smoking a cigarette. He’s got a Santa hat on. I start getting closer. I look at that guy, looks familiar. [00:28:00] Lo and behold, it’s my little brother, Tim.

Oh, and what does Tim do when he sees me? I’ll tell ya. He grabs me. He picks me up. He puts me on his shoulder, parades me around the entire bar, introducing me to everyone who he knows by their first name. Every bartender, everyone, because my little brother lives at the bar. He is the most functional alcoholic I’ve ever met.

He can drink all night long. And get up at five 30 in the morning to deliver drywall. He would drive that boom truck. And Tim is the strongest person I’ve ever met. He can beat me arm wrestling on both sides while I’m using two hands. [00:29:00] His hands are so big around that I can’t even close mine around his when I go to shake his hand.

And he’s delivered drywall so much. One of his arms is longer than the other. This might not mean anything to you, but he can carry two sheets of five eights thick, 12 foot long sheet rock at once. He didn’t pull the tape. If you’ve picked up one sheet, you know that that’s impossible. So calling him my little brother was a misnomer.

He is taller than me. Six foot three, just super strong. Uh, but I didn’t have much of a relationship with my brother for about a decade. I only saw him twice a year at most Thanksgiving and Christmas. And that is because if you ever got a call from my little brother, it was from one of [00:30:00] two places. He either is gonna call you from jail.

Or from the hospital, and that’s because he was also the bravest person I’ve ever met. He never backed down from a fight. In fact, he’d fight four or five guys at once, which often lance you in the hospital. So at this moment in time, me and my little brother, our lives merged. We became two peas in a pod.

We were on the same life path. And, uh, yeah, I had a lot of my first experiences with my little brother. Um, I didn’t even know what last call was for until I met him the first time. He came down to Missoula to go out with me. We’d been out drinking and bar hopping and two in the morning at Charlie B’s. He would walk the [00:31:00] call, last call, he walks up to the bar.

He orders three beers and three shots, and he drank them in five minutes and he just was unstoppable and he was so fun. Um, yeah, we would just stay up all night playing guitar and hand drums until they called the cops on us. And then we would laugh at the cops ’cause we were like. It’s Friday night, Missoula.

What did you expect? Um, so I just couldn’t keep up with the guy. I gave it my best shot and for two years I tried to keep up, but after a couple years realized, man, I can’t keep doing this. And I tried to get my life together, you know, I tried to stop drinking, tried to stop doing. All the other stuff. Uh, but I was still [00:32:00] chasing this girl in Whitefish and, uh, she invited me to her house warming party on Valentine’s Day.

And I said, well, if, if I’m gonna come to your house, housewarming party on Valentine’s Day, I’m gonna break you up with your boyfriend. I’m just gonna ha kiss you in front of him. We’ll get in a fight. And then ta-da, I’ll be your boyfriend. So I, uh, went up to Whitefish with evil intentions and I get up there and I get to the party and everything’s going great, right?

According to plan. And I get a call about 10 or so that evening, pick up the phone, and who is it? It’s my little brother and he’s like, Hey, I called to tell you I love you. [00:33:00] And I’m like, Tim, uh, where are you man? He’s like, I’m at the Rainbow bar. And I was like, he’s obviously drunk out of his mind. So I was like, don’t go anywhere.

I’m gonna come and get you. And he started laughing. He says, you’re gonna drive all the way from Missoula, Montana to pick me up from the rainbow bar and give me a ride home. And I said, no. Nope. I actually happened to be in Whitefish, so I’m gonna come get ya. So I left the party and I got in my car and I was, I was pretty angry.

I was frustrated with this guy. And so as I’m driving, you know, I’m working up this whole lecture in my mind. I’m gonna give it to him, and I get to the [00:34:00] rainbow and I pick him up and we’re driving him back, driving him to his trailer, uh, to his fiance’s house. Now, Tim, uh, he. Was actually a recovering meth addict, and he’d been on and off meth.

Meth and oxycont back and forth. So to Tim, alcoholism was a recovery program. A lot of people recovering alcoholics will become chain smokers. Tim recovering meth addict, became an alcoholic. This was actually the best he’d ever been doing in his whole life. He had a house, he had a fiance. But we get back there and he’s his fiance and step kids are there and he walks into the trailer, he trips over this broken tv and she’s just like, Tom, you [00:35:00] gotta get him outta here.

I don’t want him around the kids. It’s like, okay, I understand. So I, we go out on the porch and I’m gonna let him have it. So I tell him, Jim. You are impossible to love. You are destroying yourself. Like, what is your problem? Do you hate yourself? Are you mad at God? Do you have some kind of bitterness or anger?

What is going on? And he looked at me and he said, you know. I made my peace with God. I don’t have a problem with anything. It’s the people. It too many people have hurt me too badly and I just can’t. I can’t stop. I can’t change, and [00:36:00] I wasn’t gonna let up. I was like, man, you can change. Anybody can change.

I’m trying to turn my life around. You can do it. Like, come with me. And he says, you know, I can’t change. I’ll never change. And the more he’d said that, just the more frustrated I got finally, just really in his face. And I’m like, that’s a, that’s not true. You can change. And he looks at me right in the face and he said, Tom, I’ll never change.

I’ve seen it. I’m gonna die. He said, I love you, goodbye. And I was even more, it’s impossible. You don’t know that you can change. You just gotta try. And [00:37:00] so I just, you know, he wasn’t listening. I said everything I had to say and I walked away and I got my car and I drove back to Missoula and I was deeply frustrated, but I was also, I was confused and I wanted to believe so badly that people change, that I could change, that Tim could change.

And four days later, six in the morning, my phone rang. And it is my mom. She was crying and I said, I know Tim’s dead. And she said, how? How do you know? He said, he told me. And that began [00:38:00] a decade of a journey of living my life. As a memorial for my little brother, Tim, to do all the things that he’ll never be able to do and to experience all the things he’ll never experience.

And I went, I got that phone call and I went to my fridge and I got my last beer, you know, went outside and I opened it up and poured it on the ground. And it’s not been an easy road, didn’t. Find sobriety right away. A week here, a month, six months, still going. But I realized along the way that

the strongest thing that I can do is to admit that people [00:39:00] hurt me and to feel my feelings. And the bravest thing that I can do is to choose to trust people and give them a chance. And so that’s what I do every day and I do it all for 10. Tim.

Marc Moss: Thanks, Tom. Tom Attard was born and raised in the great state of Montana and is a father, husband, general contractor, ultra runner, and lover of all things outdoors.

You can find him on most dark winter mornings, running a trail on any of the surrounding slopes in constant motion from birth. Tom rarely still skiing, rafting, fishing, hunting, running, and finding any excuse to get out there. Rounding out this episode of the Tell Us Something podcast, Khali Neum Meister invites you to forget what the movie’s taught you about pregnancy.

This candid account reveals the [00:40:00] surprising realities of pregnancy from a challenging gestational diabetes diagnosis. To an unexpected labor during a severe storm. Follow one woman’s unforgettable journey to motherhood, proving that real life births are far more dramatic and unpredictable than anything you can see on a screen.

KLI calls her story a womb awakening. Thanks for listening.

Kali Neumeister: Pregnancy is not what you see in the movies. Oftentimes in the movies, they portray pregnancy as. A woman who runs out of some important meeting because she feels nauseous, she barely makes it to the bathroom to throw up. Then she looks at her calendar and calculates and says, maybe you should take pregnancy test.

Then you flash forward and you see her for her first ultrasound appointment. She gets excited and you see the bump, you know, gradually develop through the film, and at the end it’s this really dramatic, you know, moment. Either there’s a big [00:41:00] contraction and they say, oh my goodness, the baby’s coming. We gotta

Meco Correia: go.

Kali Neumeister: Or the water breaks at the most inopportune time with friends or at a restaurant. My experience with pregnancy was a little bit different after I found out I was pregnant, I, I go on my chart and I contact my doctor and say, Hey, I had a pre positive pregnancy test. And they say, congratulations, we’ll see you in a month.

Oh, okay. Well, what do I do in the meantime? Oh yeah, sorry. Here’s a pamphlet you can read. Okay, so take my prenatals. Don’t drink alcohol, avoid substances. What about the diet stuff? Okay, cool. So then you go to your first doctor’s appointment. That is my child right there. Spoiler alert.

So then you go to your first appointment, you get your ultrasound, they say everything looks good, you know, we’ll keep following up every month. And then you hit about [00:42:00] your 28 weeks of pregnancy and you go in for your glucose test, which I have a few pregnant people in my life, so I did know about this, but not from the movies for the record.

So you go in for your glucose test and you know you’re pretty healthy going into your pregnancy. So it’s a surprise when you fail the first test, right? Then you go through your second test and you’re not quite sure what the results will be. You have to fast and drink this awful sugary liquid. And then, you know, they tell you, all right, well you have gestational diabetes, which is something that was surprising to me.

I had to be on a pretty rigid diet and they test you, test your blood sugar four times a day, make sure the baby’s not getting too big, you have to go in for appointments, and that was challenging. I’ve never had a lot of exposure to the medical world besides just my regular exams. So. That was hard. You know, I had to worry a lot about her getting too big, her, her having complications, but things were okay.

They stabilized. So we’re going through this process of being on [00:43:00] this new diet and things are going okay. Well then July 24th, 2024 hits, and I’m about a week and a half out from my due date and I’m starting to get contractions through the week. And once again, it’s not something where you just rush off to the hospital at this point.

You have to wait. How long are the contractions lasting and how long is it between each contraction? So my husband and I aren’t at home. We’re just relaxing watching Netflix after a day of work, and we get an alert on our phones that says severe storm warning, and then the power goes out. I don’t know if you know where you were at on July 24th, 2024, but I was 38 weeks pregnant having contractions.

I’m knowing what to do with my evening ’cause I’m not quite ready to go to the hospital. So what do we decide to do instead? We don’t have our entertainment for the evening, so we decide to, um, you know, look through our list of things we have to get done, you [00:44:00] know, set up crib, check, set, you know, clear out the nursery.

Almost check. We had a, um, desk we wanted to, um, assemble, you know, before the baby arrived. So what do we do? We drag this, um. You know this box out, we pull out this desk and we have pieces all over our kitchen island. I put on my headlamp and my husband has his, his headlamp on. We’re lighting candles and we just gotta get this desk done before the baby gets here.

Right? It’s the only logical thing.

And so I hand him a wrench and I hand him, you want a bag of the tools?

Just gimme a sec. Okay. I’m good. What’s the next step? Because there’s no owner’s manual for what do you do when there’s a major storm event? But we have a manual to assemble the desk, so let’s do that. The contraction slowed down and my husband says, you know, the storm is over now. Um, you know, I kinda [00:45:00] wanna go check things out, see how things fared, see how our town is doing.

We had some branches fly across our yard. I later heard that my, um, sister and brother-in-law, they had their cottonwood ancestral tree pull up and drop right in front of their house. You know, we heard about, you know, trees coming down on top of roofs and cars and totaling them, you know, a hundred mile per hour winds on mount jumbo.

But we got through that, right? I didn’t have the baby. So then the next morning we both go onto our separate work days, and about midday, I noticed that I had some symptoms that I wasn’t really sure about. So I go to the bathroom and I pull down my underwear and I look down and there’s a little bit of fluid.

So I take a picture, shoot it off to my sister.

She has three kids. She has her md, so I thought she’d be the best person to talk to about this. There’s no water gushing, so I’m probably okay. Right. So at the [00:46:00] end of the day she says, you know what? You probably should just call lab and delivery just to be sure. So I go ahead and do that, and I say, you know, here are my symptoms.

I started having contractions, but they weren’t that intense yet. You know, this is what occurred today. And they said, okay, well, we can kind of see how things go. I said, oh, I forgot to mention, at her last appointment on Tuesday, just a few days ago, she was breech. And for those of you who don’t know about what that means, her head was straight up and her butt was straight down.

And we knew this. We knew that we should go to the hospital if, if things progressed and they said, you don’t have to rush, but we would recommend getting a bag together as quickly as possible and heading in. So I called my mom on the phone. I said, I don’t think we’re having the baby today, but we’re heading to the hospital.

I just wanted to let you know. So we do that. We get our bags packed and we say, you know, we’ll probably just check in with them. Go get takeout, head home, relax. I didn’t have any two intense tractions that day. So then we get to the hospital and [00:47:00] they do their little swab, and at that point we’re just relaxing and hanging out.

And, um, I get a test alert that says positive for amniotic fluid. And my doctor walks in and she says, we’re having a baby today. She explained to us that during major, um, bariatric pressure changes, something can happen called the preterm rupture of the membranes, which means your labor doesn’t progress very far, but your water can break.

And when we had driven up, the parking lot was full of labor and delivery cars. I wasn’t the only one. So we go back and they begin the process of going through the C-section and they numb me from the, the chest down. And my husband and I are behind this, this tarp. And for those of you who have been pregnant or have had a c-section of what that feels like, and they start to pull and, and tug.

And I feel this very bizarre pulling and tugging sensation. And I feel kind of dumb in this moment, but I’m like, have you started? [00:48:00] And she says, oh, we are well on our way. And she pulls our daughter out and she roars like a lion. And our doctor says, that’s a really good sign. She’s born the sign of the Leo.

She was born the year of the dragon, and she was born Amids. The greatest storm that I have ever been witness to, and I think back to Marian Zimmer, Bradley’s sci-fi novel Storm Queen. There’s this character who when she would feel great emotions, the storm would rage around her lightning bolts and wind.

And I’m saying, I think you are our storm queen. You brought this storm and you brought, um, as you went into this world. And I looked down at her with her bright, um, blue eyes, her stormy blue eyes, and her dark hair at that time. [00:49:00] And to this day, as you heard earlier, she still hollers, she still roars like that.

Lion and dragons are a big part of it too. The the Chinese sign of dragons is also very special to us. And I look down at her eye and I say, this is your new home. Now. You’re safe. If we can survive this, we can survive anything. Thank you.

Marc Moss: Thanks Khali. KLI New Meister is 33 years old and was born and raised here in Missoula.

A counselor by Trade kli enjoys the quiet life of reading and storytelling and the adventures of skiing and scuba diving. Thanks for listening to the Tele Something podcast. Coming up on the next episode of the Tele Something podcast,

Mark Schoenfeld: I’ve been told I look like Matt Dame, and you’d have to imagine me skinnier.

With more hair on my head and less on my face. But I a [00:50:00] little bit.

Tess Sneeringer: So I turn back to Officer Becky who has a second question, which is, have you been drinking? And I say, no, ’cause I have not been drinking. And she walks closer than me and she smells me. And she goes, you’ve been drinking

Kelley Provost: my hand finds its way to my purse.

I do not let go of these hot five fingers that are my child’s. And, and I grab my phone and it does not ring a second time. My sister and my husband lock eyes with me. We know that this is the news that we’ve been waiting to hear since we left Missoula.

Jeff Ducklow: I looked to my left and a tower of ice, probably the size of two Wilma buildings stacked on top of each other, was slowly starting to lean away, and I just went, oh my God.

My heart was beating so fast. I couldn’t feel it. It was, I was just frozen in disbelief.

Marc Moss: Listen to the concluding stories from the Hold My Beard. Tell us something. Event from January, 2025. Subscribe to the podcast so you’ll be [00:51:00] sure to catch it on the next Tell us something podcast. Remember that. The next tell us something event is October 7th.

The theme is Walk on the Wild Side. You can pitch your story by calling 4 0 6 2 0 3 4 6 8 3. Learn more and get your tickets at Tell us something. Dot. Org.

[00:00:00] Welcome to the Tell Us Something podcast. I’m Marc Moss, founder and executive director of Tell Us Something, and your host for this episode of the podcast in this special edition of the Tell Us Something podcast. We take time to honor an important community member. Tell us something. Storyteller, alumni, support of the arts, statesman and friend.

Pat Williams five times. Pat Williams joined us on the Tell Us something stage to share pieces of his extraordinary life with us. Each one delivered with that unmistakable wit, wisdom, and profound connection to humanity that he so loved. You know, we require each storyteller who shares their stories at tell us something to attend a group workshop, and Pat just never found the time to join us for those workshops.

But. He got a pass because he’s Pat Williams back in April of this year. Tell Us Something, travel to Butte America to bring Tell Us Something to an [00:01:00] enthusiastic group of listeners. I. At the Covellite Theatre, I shared a story about the first time we held a Tell Us Something event in Butte, which was also at the  Covellite Theatre.

That first time in Butte back in 2019. I had to buy time for the start of the event because the evening’s very first storyteller, Pat Williams was late. Listen, as I share that story, which is more than just a story of tell us something in Butte, more than just a story of Pat Williams, it’s honoring my friendship with Pat.

Stick around after my story to hear one of the stories that Pat shared on the Tell Us Something. Stage a story about Bing Crosby in Butte America. Sláinte,

how many people have been in love before? Yeah. So, I don’t know, before the, before the internet was so prevalent and social media wasn’t, wasn’t yet invented. [00:02:00] When I was in love at least, I wrote and received love letters from my lovers, long torrid, sometimes thoughtful and reflective love letters. And then when the breakup were happen.

Emails. Don’t forget to gimme back my black t-shirt. I want that Black Sabbath record back. I think you have my popcorn maker all in an email. Cold, succinct. And I thought, you know, making, oh, it’s a really good way to heal and, and I. Make art sometimes I, and I’m from Akron, Ohio originally, and so I love abandoned buildings and rusty shit.

And, and so when I first came to Butte, I was like, oh, this feels a lot like home. And so I, I had a whole bunch of rusty things and I had all these love letters and I thought, I love you and I never want to be without you. [00:03:00] I hate you, and I never, never want to see you again. Both honest feelings that are out there in the universe.

What happens if we put ’em together? So I like ripped out sections of those love letters. Burned the rest, used an Exacto knife, cut out sections of those emails, mounted them under glass, collaged them together on rusty metal with wires, and found other rusty things. And one of the things I found was an old wall-mounted telephone.

Now some of you don’t know what that is, so before we all had. Uh, camera and a video machine and a phone and all the things in, in our pockets. Telephones were mounted on the wall and they were stationary and you had to pick it up and there was a rotary in like 1, 6, 6, you know, whatever. And it took a long time to dial.

Anyway, I found one of those from like 1945 or something, and I took it apart. [00:04:00] And because they’re beautiful inside, they’re just these cool, gorgeous machines. And I put it in my acid to rust it. And peed on it. And then it was super rusty and I put it on one of these pieces of art and the art show is happening, and this guy is like standing there, like looking at it, and the proprietor of the venue comes over.

He is like, she says, do you know who that is? And I’m like, no. She’s like, that’s Pat Williams. He wants to buy your art. I’m like, oh, okay. I know who Pat Williams is, and most of you probably do, but for those of you who don’t, pat Williams is the longest running congressman from Montana in like the seventies, eighties, nineties, and did a lot for the environment and the arts, and all of a sudden I’m like a little bit intimidated and honored, so I walk over, introduced myself, Hey, I’m Marc.

He’s like, good to meet you. I’m Pat. [00:05:00] Like I saw this in the paper and I wanna buy it. And so that was what was on the, on the, in the newspaper when they wrote the story about the show. And I said, great. And he goes, but I don’t want the whole thing. I just want the phone. I said, I’m not taking it apart. I’m not gonna like take the phone.

And he is like, I don’t care what you do, I just want the phone. I said, the price is the same. He said, that’s fine. Deliver it to me when the show comes down. Here’s my number. Okay, what am I, what the fuck is this? So I know a guy that’s got a plasma cutter, so the show ends, I take it over there and cut it in half.

I sell the other side of it for the same price. I think it was like 350 bucks. So I sell this thing twice and I call him, I’m like, I got the art. I’m, uh, I’ll deliver it. And he’s like, I’ll meet you at the Uptown Diner. So, okay. And that place doesn’t exist anymore, but Uptown Diner in Missoula. We go there for breakfast, he buys me [00:06:00] breakfast.

I’m like, what’s the deal with the phone? He said, well, I grew up in Butte, Montana, and I lived above a candy store that my, my family owned. And one afternoon when I was a kid, I was taking apart the phone with a screwdriver and my grandmother came and found me and she yanked the screwdriver outta my hand and said, you’re gonna burn down the candy store.

And I’ve never seen the inside of a phone.

I said, pat, what? You’re 75 years old. Like, how old are you? What you’ve never, you’ve never taken a phone apart. He said, out of other things to do. So that began our friendship and I founded Tela something and I knew Pat was a good storyteller ’cause I was there with him for two hours. And I had beers with whiskeys with him at Charlie’s.

You know, he used to, there was a bar in Missoula that has like this door in between the [00:07:00] bar and the coffee shop. And he would like take his coffee and like walk over to the bar and he’d come back and he sit down and hold court. And I was like, Pat’s great. And I was like, man, wouldn’t it be great to get him on the tell us something stage?

And sure enough he was like, I’ll totally do that. And he told I think three stories that tell us something. Um. One about Dr. Martin Luther King. You can listen to it at, uh, tell us something.org. The other one, um, about Bing Crosby coming to Butte. And the third story he told here in 2018, and I don’t remember what the theme was that time, but the show was supposed to start at seven o’clock and it’s 10 minutes to seven and there’s no sign of Pat.

And the guy that was driving him, his name’s Brian, he’s a storyteller, uh, too from tell us something. And I had his number and I called him up. I’m like, Brian, where are you guys at? [00:08:00] He’s like, well, uh, we just got our second round of drinks at Lydia’s. I’m like, God, damnit, that’s across town. Like the show is supposed to start.

He’s like, well. I mean, and I was like, okay, just get here as fast as you can. The show it is 10 minutes after seven, they’re still not here. Ev everyone’s sort of looking at me. There were about this many people, maybe a handful more. And I’m like, I mean, I guess I gotta do this. And oh, I forgot to tell you, uh, at the time I had a broken leg.

So like those steps coming up and down those steps, how many times did I go up and down those steps? And everyone’s like, what’d you do with your leg? And I’m like, not right now. I got, oh, you know what? Actually, lemme tell you because the show has to go on, right? So where’s Pat? I’m like, wished that he would come and tell a story in Butte, [00:09:00] like, be careful what you wish for.

He’s late. Maybe he’s not even gonna come. I don’t know what’s gonna happen. So I tell the story of how I broke my leg, the short version of that story. ’cause I don’t have enough time. Is that. I was at Burning Man. I don’t know if you know what that is. It’s this big art festival in the desert, and it was one of those days where everything was perfect.

I was in love with the world. Everything was great. My wife Joyce and I were gonna have sexy time later. She was like, you go that way. I’m gonna go this way and we’re gonna have some adventures. I’ll see you tonight. Don’t forget to take a shower. I’m like, I got you. So I’m out gallivanting around on my bike, you know?

Hey, hey, high fiving people. Even with, you know, my non-dominant hand. I’m like, this is great. This guy’s rolling by on one of those one wheel devices. I’m like, that looks fun. And he goes, you wanna try it? I’m like, I don’t. He’s like, have you ever snowboarded? I said, yeah. And he goes, well then it’s the same thing.

Look where you’re going. I was like, okay. And so I got on, tried it, went that [00:10:00] way. He’s like, no, no, no. Like watch you got ba like, and so I did it for a while and I’m like, this is crazy. How do you, he goes, I’ve only had this for four days. I’m like, you’re doing great. He’s like, it just takes practice. You can do it.

I’m like, I’ve got other things. I’ve got somewhere to be in a little while. So I, um, ride my bike. I’m still going, and I see. This punk rock and roll band, setting up their equipment on top of a shipping container in the shipping container is a bar. Now, I don’t know if you know anything about Burning Man outside of like the pictures that in videos that you’ve seen, but there is no money there.

You don’t, there’s no bartering either. It’s everything is free and so like there’s a full bar. I’m like, okay, but there, the other thing that’s out there is. Uh, a halfpipe, a skateboard, halfpipe with skateboards everywhere. I’m like, okay. Um, [00:11:00] I’ve never been on a skateboard, but remember I’m sort of in love with the world.

The possibilities are endless. I can do anything. So I walk into the bar and the guy’s like, what do you want? You want some whiskey? And I was like, not right now. I want you to show me how to drop in. And he was like, I don’t know how to skate. Bullshit. Like he’s got tattoos, full sleeves, ears pierced, nose pierced, lip pierced, like Yeah, you do.

He’s like, never been on a skateboard before. I was like, okay. So I walk out, find a board, get on it,

drop, drop in the, the skateboard goes flying. I go flying and I’m like, okay. And it’s like, try it again. ’cause like. He who never tries, never succeeds. And so and so, I try it again and out he walks. He’s got a talk hand in his hand and he’s like, Hey, old man, what are you doing? I said, I’m either gonna be successful [00:12:00] or I’m gonna be injured.

And he goes, you know what I like about you? You set realistic goals.

And he said, I’m not gonna show you how to do it, but I will tell you that you have to like, let the board and the wheels sort of hang off the edge first, which I wasn’t doing. And I was like, oh, okay. And so I tried that and it was a little easier, but I still fucked it up and, and I tried it again and it was, I was a little more successful, but not, not fully.

And you know, I’m still falling, the board’s flying over that direction. And on the seventh try, I drop in and I hear, I’m like, oh yeah, I’ve reached my goal about that whiskey I set about that time. Pat walks up the steps. I’m like, Hey, please welcome to the stage Pat Williams, and up he walks. He doesn’t know anything about that.

You know [00:13:00] that, that story that I just told. He’s like, cheers. I’m. So I was like, this is twice be, be careful what you wish for. Be careful. Like I, I wish that I knew how to ride a skateboard and I wish for Pat to tell a story in Butte and obviously, you know, if you’ve ever heard him tell a story, he brought the house down.

He was amazing and I’m very grateful to him. And to you all for being here to share a night of true stories. Thank you so much. Stick around to hear Pat’s story about Bing Crosby in Butte after the break.

So he said Phil and I left our half full glasses there and went out and jumped in my sports car.

Wonderful night. Warm top down, and he said, we’re racing through the countryside.

That’s coming up. Stay with us. We’re trying to decide on the theme for the October 7th. Tell us something event if you’d like to weigh in on what that theme should [00:14:00] be, head over to tell us something. Dot org to cast your vote in the running are five potential themes, learning curve, wild and free.

Walk on the wild side. Confluence and no time to explain. Go to tell us something.org to cast your vote. We’re also looking for sponsors for the October 7th. Tell us something event. If you’d like to sponsor, tell us something, please email me, marc@tellussomething.org. That’s M-A-R-C at, tell us something.org.

Okay, let’s get to Pat’s story. Pat Williams shared this story at Tell Us Something in front of a live audience. On February 18th, 2014 at the Top Hat Lounge in Missoula, Montana, the theme that night was, what are you waiting for? Bing Crosby spends time in Butte, Montana to fish and get away from the spotlight fame brought to him in the 1940s and fifties.

He is misrecognized by a pedestrian on the street. Bing then [00:15:00] shares a story with Pat about Blue, the Bear in the Jungle Book, Phil Harris. And drinking whiskey.

It’s nice to see you. Oh, it’s nice to see all of you.

Um, some people are damn tough despite big problems, aren’t they? Yeah. Let’s hear it again.

Carol and I have been in, uh, Missoula now since I left the US Congress. We’ve been here 17 years. We absolutely love it. My home as well as Carol’s, uh, uh, initially was Butte, and, uh, you can go home again, and the two of us do it all the time. I thought tonight I’d tell you, uh, a couple of quick stories about.[00:16:00]

Of the many hundreds that happened to me in Butte. Um, this one is about a, uh, a famous entertainer who used to come to Butte, kind of incognito. He knew my family and he liked to come by. Um, unshaven with dark glasses before sunglasses were all the rage and a hat pulled down and collar up, and that was a Bing Crosby.

Uh, some of you younger, I assume know who Ben Crosby was. Ben grew up as a neighbor up here in Spokane, and in his early years he loved to fish in Montana. So after he became famous in the thirties, forties and fifties, he would occasionally come to Montana and he had a particular bent for Butte. He knew an uncle of mine [00:17:00] and so he became friends with our family.

So here’s two quick stories about Bing Crosby and Butte. Uh, all people that famous, uh, I assume get tired of being recognized. And when Bing came out here to fish and. It’d go to Butte. He, he simply didn’t want to be recognized, so he’d always have that heavy growth. And the glasses and the hat pulled down, the collar up and banging.

My mom and my dad and my uncle are walk. I was a little kid. This is in the late forties, I think. I was a little kid and we were walking down Park Street in Butte, which in those days was very busy, very loaded with people, pedestrians, and, uh, a woman. I started on by and then turned around and came back and stood right in front of us and looked at Bing with a lot of people going by and said, Hey, your, and she [00:18:00] stopped ’cause she couldn’t Exactly.

She said, your, um, your, and he took both of her hands. Because he knew she was about to shout Bing Crosby in a crowd. So he took both of her hands and pulled him, pulled her close, and he said, I’m Bing Crosby. And she pushed him away and said, no, that’s not it. Wait a minute, you are

now. I, uh, yeah. It was great fun. Now, another story that’s more appropriate for this particular. Crowd and that is that Bing was, uh, had a great friend named Phil Harris. Phil Harris was from the south. He was a singer. And for about two thirds of this crowd, you know Phil Harris as the voice. Of Blue. The Bear in the Jungle book, remember Blue?

Well, [00:19:00] blue Blue and his wonderful songs were the voice, uh, of Phil Harris and Bing told us this story after he had been in Scotland. He said, Phil and I went to Scotland. And he said, uh, I had bought a new car and he said he and I were tooling around in the afternoon and the evening and drinking a little bit, trying to be careful, but drinking a little bit.

And he said it got to be 10 or 11 o’clock. And we were in one of the pubs in northern uh, Scotland, and he said the, uh, the, the pub was closing. He said, I think it was 10 or 11 o’clock. And he said, Phil and I were just kind of getting going. And pretty disappointed that we were gonna have to leave this bar and the bars closed at whatever, 10 o’clock he said.

We said to the bartender, well, is there anywhere else we can get a drink? And the bartender said, well, about 45 minutes north. They stay opened until one. So he said, Phil and I left our half [00:20:00] full glasses there and went out and jumped in my sports car. Wonderful night, warm. Top down and he said, we’re racing through the countryside.

And he said, we get out into a kind of a rural area about, uh, 20 minutes out of that town. And he said, we see little Scottish distilleries way off in the distance, little low buildings windows, all lighted by the fires inside. Men carrying wood back and forth for the fires. He said, I said to Phil Harris, look at there, Phil.

They’re making it faster than you can drink it. And he said, Phil said, yeah, dad, but I got ’em working nights. Thank you.

Thanks, Pat. [00:21:00] Pat Williams was Montana’s longest serving member of the United States House and died on June 25th, 2025 in Missoula, Montana. The Butte native, who was Montana’s last Democrat elected to the house to date served nine terms from 1979 to 1997. Including two as the state’s at large.

Representative Williams was 87 years old. Pat believed in the power of storytelling to connect us as humans and was a huge fan of Tell Us something he is missed. To read a full tribute to Pat Williams had to tell us something.org. You can also listen to all of Pat’s stories that survived. You know, he told five stories.

Only four of them were recorded. You can listen to all of those stories at tellussomething.org. Just search Pat Williams. Thanks for [00:22:00] listening.

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[00:00:00] Welcome to the Tell Us Something podcast. I’m Marc Moss, your host. We have a special edition of the Tell Us Something podcast. Today I was lucky enough to be invited into the Trail Studios with Mike Smith for the Trail Lunchbox and when it Wednesday and unbeknownst to me, they recorded the show so.

Thank you so much to Tommy Evans for producing what you’re about to hear. Remember that we have an event coming up on Monday, June 30th. You can get your tickets@tellussomething.org.

The Trail 1 0 3 3 is KDTR fm Florence Missoula, locally owned and operated by the Missoula Broadcasting Company. Five, six.

Time for lunch. This is a very nutritious lunch. All the food groups are represented. You enjoy every sandwich. Give me two. Call me. Have lunch. Time is an illusion. Lunchtime, double. Now. Listen, lunchbox, don’t try [00:01:00] anything. Funny.

Well, Marc, this is kind of your theme song.

I feel real grateful to Cash for Junkers for letting me use it. What a,

that just sounds like Missoula, you know what I mean?

They’re, I mean, the first version of it, I sat down with Nate Beal, who, who’s plays in that band. Mm-hmm. He’s a friend of mine and, uh, I said, you know, I’m gonna be [00:02:00] doing a podcast.

This is back in 2011. For live storytelling. And we, we record the stories and, um, we’re gonna publish ’em as a podcast and I need music. Do you have anything? Yeah. And he said, well, I’ve got this rough cut of something that we’re working on and you can just use the rough cut. Hmm. And it was this, and, but it was, it was not as produced as this.

And then when the. Album came out, it was called, um, poop and Shinola, and um, obviously edited for radio play. Yeah. Thanks for pulling that. Mm-hmm. Thanks for pulling that. Yeah. Yeah. Mm-hmm. And he said, um, you know, use that, use the record cut. Yeah. Now, but that was years before we got that. Yeah. And it’s interesting to go back and, you know, you can listen to all of the podcasts episodes, all of the stories ever been told.

At tell us something on the website or wherever you get your podcasts. And so if you go back into the early days, you can hear that early version. The song is called Buzzing. Buzzing, [00:03:00] buzzing. All right, Marc Moss, tell us something. You got an event coming up. First of all though, I wanna talk about your t-shirt.

Oh, yeah. Quote on Marc’s t-shirt. I think the world is going to be saved by millions of small things. It’s Pete Seeger quote. Yeah. Thanks for wearing that. I mean, it’s the truth. I, yeah. The millions of small things are also gonna eat the shirt. Like Yeah. Got mos, right? No, it’s, it’s well loved. Yeah. But, uh, that’s kind of, uh, putting te us something together is by no means a small thing.

No. But all of the stories, all the stories that build it up seem like small things and the people that are telling them sometimes. Have never been on a stage before. Yeah. And maybe you’ve never heard of them. Mm-hmm. And I don’t announce who the storytellers are ahead of time. Right. For the reason that I believe.

That we all have a story to share. Everybody’s story is important, and I would love to see the community come out and support each other by [00:04:00] listening to each other. Mm-hmm. And it’s like, oh, Mike Smith is gonna be telling a story. Yeah. Awesome. I’m going to that show. Yeah. Or I’ve seen this person around.

Yeah.

Or, wow, I’ve never seen that person in my life. Right. Cool. Yeah. Let’s hear their story. Oh, I’ve seen this person. And they’re, they, they’ve got that as a story. What this time, uh. Each time you have a theme. Yeah. And this is lost and found. Right? Boy, you could go in a lot of different directions and we, and I bet they do.

And we do. Yeah. We have, uh, eight storytellers. They each have 10 minutes to share their true story on that, that theme. Lost and found. Mm-hmm. No notes. No calls to action, no props. There’s no PowerPoints or anything. Let’s talk about stage fright. How do you get folks to, you know, somebody who’s just like, oh Marc, I really want to tell my story, but this is not gonna be easy.

So terrified. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. One person actually, um, is fairly known in town, said I was gonna try to go onto the radar, but somebody told me that they know I’m doing it. Yeah. And I said, I don’t know how they know that. Um, I didn’t say anything to anybody. Yeah. She’s terrified. Right? [00:05:00] Right. And I said, you know, you can back out and, and that’s up to you.

Yeah. And she’s like, it’s an important story. I’m gonna tell it. Yes. You know? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. And because when, once people know that they have a story worth hearing mm-hmm. And I give them that faith and that. Confidence, they’re ready to go. And that’s your belief in people, that everybody has a story to tell.

We hear you going back to that on a regular basis. That is absolutely true. You know, and, and to have your story be seen and witnessed and heard by your community mm-hmm. Is so powerful. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. Yeah. Uh, the next storytelling event, tell us about it. It is at Ogren Park Allegiance Field.

And it will be closing out Pride month. So we have some queer voices, we have some allies, and we’ve got people coming from the East coast [00:06:00] to witness one of their friends sharing this story story. Oh, that’s fun. Yeah. We’ve got, and, and that’s the point, obviously you have this great catalog of people, uh, telling stories over the years.

Yeah. On the tell us something website, fantastic resource. But the point is getting together to hear these stories. Yeah. The live event can’t be, can’t be transformed. Yeah. I mean, you do radio for a living. Mm-hmm. And you understand the power of spoken word. Yeah. It’s different when you’re in person and you’re witnessing in community.

It really is. Yeah. And you’re about to cry and you’re looking around and there’s people already crying. Mm-hmm. Or you’re like laughing out loud. Mm-hmm. Maybe what seems like an inappropriate moment and everybody else is laughing. Yeah. And it’s like, and the personal nature of it, you just get so personal with that, you know?

And oftentimes on the radio, I’m just telling you, I love this new song. Yeah. Or isn’t it gonna be cool when we go to this concert? Sometimes we’re passing along sad news, the passing of a, of a musician or, or, or something going on in the world. Yeah. But when you get real personal, that’s where it gets not only, uh, it gets [00:07:00] deep and meaningful for everybody involved.

Yeah. And then even things going on in the world, if you can personalize even that. Mm-hmm. You know, we have a story about a woman who is trained to. Deal with, um, conflict. Mm. And she goes into a situation where there is war and she’s trying to be humanitarian aid. Mm-hmm. And that’s just amazing. Yeah. Yeah.

You know, and we have a story of a. Police officer responding to a robbery in progress and what does that like? Mm-hmm. What about the decisions that get made and how are those going? Those decisions gonna change not just his life, but everybody else’s life in there, per usual. Marc, you have a beautiful, uh, poster for this event.

I. You wanna shout out the artist on that one? Yeah. This poster is Ryan Hawk and this poster originally, so lost and found was going to be the theme for the March. Mm-hmm. 2020, yeah. Program. I dunno if you remember what happened in [00:08:00] March of 2020. Yeah. Yeah, kind of. Uh, we, we, we try to forget. Then we remember and yeah.

And we remember a lot of positive that came outta that. Yeah. So, uh, it was way before, right? It was mm-hmm. I think I was, she used the 10 bar, Ryan Hawk used the 10 bar at the North Side Cattle House, and that’s in my neighborhood, and I spent some time there and she was, you know what’s, it was a. Slow afternoon and well, you know, what’s going on?

What have you been doing? I was mm-hmm. Sort of complaining that I have a show coming up in two months and I don’t have a poster artist. Yeah. And she said, well, I’ll do it. And I said, well, you know, you’re an artist. Okay. You know, you never, everybody’s an artist. Yeah. And so I wanted to see. Her work and she pulled out her phone and started showing me she does the, all of the artwork for the, uh, international Wildlife Film Festival.

Yeah. Nice. And I said, what’s your rate? And she told me, and I said, I can pay you that. And, and she whipped this out and a. Couple of weeks and it’s beautiful. Yeah. [00:09:00] And obviously I couldn’t use it right. March, 2020. Mm-hmm. Didn’t that show didn’t happen, so I adapted it a little bit and added the trans pride flag, um, to the flames.

And if you haven’t seen the poster, yeah, check it out for the listeners. Uh, it features a person and, uh, what looks like a monkey with a. Space helmet on and a Sasquatch much, and then like a cero or cat, a cowgirl looking person, cowgirl sitting around a campfire. And the flames are going up into the sky and featuring, could be a moon, could be a sun.

I kind of think it might be a moon, full moon looking thing. It’s open to interpretation. Yeah, it’s cool. And it’s all, all monochrome. Except for the flames now. Yeah, but, but her initial design was all monochro, the pride flames. Cool. Yeah. Tell us something. Dot org. We dig your style. Marc Moss. Thanks. Not only putting on this event all these years, but also reaching for [00:10:00] an artist here and a musician there.

I mean, everyone gets paid. Lot of fun. Casper Junkers initially gave us the song pro bono, and I thought, you know, I don’t have any money right now, but when I finally did have some money mm-hmm. Uh, they didn’t ask me to pay them, but I, I did. And I was, it was, I think I’ve told you this before, knocked on their door.

Yeah. And they practiced in the, in Tyler Roddy’s shop. Mm-hmm. Down the, down the alley from where I live. Right. Yeah. And I knocked. And it was dark and you hear all the shuffling going on, it’s like hide the weed. Pretty much. Yeah. And he goes, I go, it’s Marc Moss. He goes. We thought you were the cops. That’s how the cops like a noise complaint.

Right? That’s how the cops knock. Right. You know? That’s You knock like a cop. Yeah. Well, my dad was a, my dad was a cop. Yeah. Well, Marc Moss of tell us something lost and found stories coming up. June 30th, seven o’clock. Ogrin Park at Allegiance Field. I say [00:11:00] June 30th, but that’s Monday next. Yeah. Would you like to go?

I’m talking to you. Fair listener. Uh, would you like to go text in? Tell us something. Lost and found. Lost and found. Thank you. Yeah. Lost and found. 4 0 6. 6 0 4 1 0 3. 3 4 0 6. 6 0 4. 1 0 3. Three. Lost and found. Uh, June 30th next week you can find out all the details that tell us something. Dot org. Uh, final thought.

Marc, you’re away. Tickets, right? Yeah. Lost you text. Yeah. We’re giving away tickets. You text, text laws and found to that number. What was the number? 4 0 6. 6 0 4 1 0 3 3. Text Lawson found to that number and you’ll get a pair of tickets. To the Monday June 30th event, and for those of you who don’t get those free tickets, you can purchase tickets@tellussomething.org.

Tickets are on sale right now, and they do go up. The price of tickets go up on Monday, the day of the show, but right now they’re $20. Thank you very much. Marc Moss. We’re gonna go out of the, uh, trail lunchbox today with a new one from Role Model. This is called [00:12:00] Sally. When the Wine runs Out, trail Lunchbox.

Remember that we have an event coming up on Monday, June 30th. You can get your tickets@tellussomething.org.

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Marc Moss
Welcome to the Tell Us Something podcast. I’m Marc Moss, founder and executive director of Tell Us Something. We are currently looking for storytellers for the next Tell Us something storytelling event. The theme is hold My beer. If you’d like to pitch your story for conSyderation, please call (406) 203-4683. You have three minutes to leave your pitch. The pitch deadline is December 7th.

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Marc Moss
I look forward to hearing from you this week on the podcast.

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Jesse Ballard
I distinctly thought about the doll house in the corner, the horse mural on the wall. And so when I started to wake up from that nighttime nap, I was really surprised to look around and see thorn branches instead of that childhood bedroom wall.

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Betsy Funk
The flowers are there and they’re up to our knees in color and riotous glory. It’s a misty day, so we aren’t hot. It’s cool. And the mist has made the flowers scream at us. It’s glorious. And I’m hiking with my daughter, who?

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Syd Lang
Goodness. For the open mouth piece. Right? Yeah. So I’m throwing up everywhere, and all of a sudden, the crowd of kids just falls completely silent. And. And a kid goes, hey, that’s my grandma’s costume that you’re throwing up in.

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Marc Moss
Three storytellers share their true personal story on the theme Never Again. Their stories were recorded live in person in front of a packed house on September 18th, 2024 at the George and Jane Denison Theater in Missoula, Montana. Tell Us Something acknowledges that we gather on the ancestral lands of the Salish, Kootenai, and peoples. These lands have been inhabited for millennia, shaped by the wisdom and stewardship of the First Nation peoples.

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Marc Moss
We acknowledge the historical and ongoing trauma inflicted upon indigenous communities, including the forcible removal from their lands, the destruction of their cultures, and the systemic injustices that continue to persist. As we honor the indigenous people who have called this place home. Let us commit to learning from their traditions and values a tangible way to do that. If you live in Missoula, Montana, is to visit the Missoula Public Library on Friday, November 1st.

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Marc Moss
Missoula Public Library hosts a First Friday event highlighting native art and culture, showcasing the library’s permanent collection. That event kicks off four weeks of programing celebrating Native American Heritage Month. A tooltip will be installed on the Harrison Children’s Library. They will unveil an exhibit of the Salish Kootenay Seasonal round that gives children a new interactive learning tool. They will also debut a new collection of indigenous books and materials.

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Marc Moss
Stop by the library or visit Missoula Public Library Board to learn more. Tell us something. Stories sometimes have adult themes. Storytellers sometimes use adult language. Jessie Ballard and her family are stranded in the Kenyan desert, where they faced danger, dehydration, and exhaustion. Come along with Jessie on a wild, adventure filled with unforgettable memories in a story she calls the best walker.

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Marc Moss
Thanks for listening.

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Jesse Ballard
I want you to think back to the last time your car broke down, or you were riding in a car that broke down. Think through the steps involved to being rescued. I imagine it was a stressful situation, but pretty simple to get rescued. A phone call to triple A, wave down a passer by. Call a buddy and maybe within a few hours you were safely back at home or in a safe place at least.

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Jesse Ballard
Now, I want to take you back in time to late 1980s in a remote area of northern Kenya. Myself, I’m around eight years old. My younger brothers, around six, were with my parents and we had just finished visiting family in a remote area of northern Kenya. We were living in Nairobi, the capital city, at the time we’d finished our visit.

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Jesse Ballard
We packed up our double cab white Nissan and we were well on our way back to Nairobi. We happened to hours after our travel. We ended up in this area part of our travel called the chawl B desert. Chawl B is the gabbro word gabbro. Being one of the groups of people that lives in the area for dry and salty.

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Jesse Ballard
So I just want you to imagine dry and salty for miles and miles around you. Well, I’ve set up how remote it is, but here we are driving along and another car happens to come by us, and they stop. And it’s Mr. and Mrs. Anderson. Family, friends. Wow. What are the odds of that? So my parents strike up a conversation.

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Jesse Ballard
I think my brother and I are just playing in the back seat, and then they wave and off the Andersons go. My dad goes to restart the car. Nothing happens. We all jump out of the car and start waving at the Andersons, who by this point are miles down the road in a dust cloud of dry and salty.

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Jesse Ballard
Well, that didn’t work. My dad tried valiantly to get the car started, but it wasn’t going to happen. So he makes the decision. He’s going to be the hero. Dad, and is going to embark out on his own and find help. My mother, sitting in a pickup truck with an eight year old and a six year old, said, not.

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Betsy Funk
We are.

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Jesse Ballard
All coming with you. So we gathered the supplies, the few supplies we had, which included a jerry can. For those of you not familiar with that phrase. It’s kind of a big plastic or metal container that’s often in the back of a car on Safari with extra gas, or in our case, with extra water. So my mom grabs the jerry can and we start our walk through the child B desert.

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Jesse Ballard
At first, my brother and I think this is great. We’re skipping. We’re throwing rocks. We’re having a grand old time. What an adventure we’re on. Eventually, the charm starts to wear off. It’s made extra irritating by my mother banging on the now empty Jerry can.

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Betsy Funk
Boom boom boom boom.

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Jesse Ballard
Over and over and over and over. Mom! Stop that! That’s annoying. I pause here to have you think of walking a Montana trail, where you might encounter something like a bear. What is it that you do when you’re on a trail where you might encounter a bear? You make noise, right? You’ve got your bear bells. You’re ready with your bear spray.

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Jesse Ballard
My mother knew that we might encounter lions or some other wildlife, and the boom boom boom was out of protection for us. But of course, I was childlike, blissfully ignorant to that, and just annoyed at the incessant bang bang bang. So we’re walking and walking and walking and eventually the sun starts to go down and we are exhausted.

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Jesse Ballard
So tired. My dad managed to grab some thorn branches and build an enclosure for us to rest in. I don’t my dad and my mom were doing much resting, but I was so tired and I felt so safe in that enclosure that I conked out. I fell fast asleep even though I was only eight. I have this distinct memory of feeling like I was back in my childhood bedroom.

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Jesse Ballard
Even though I was in the middle of the desert in a thorn bush enclosure. I distinctly thought about the doll house in the corner, the horse mural on the wall. And so when I started to wake up from that nighttime nap, I was really surprised to look around and see thorn branches instead of that childhood bedroom wall. So as I was waking up, I start to hear the sound of cowbells in the distance.

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Jesse Ballard
Digging, deep digging. So we are all listening, and we know that if there’s cowbells, there’s humans, there’s civilization. So we get up and we follow the sound of the cowbells. And that leads us to this. Now abandoned old tented camp. But it wasn’t totally abandoned. There was a caretaker there watching over the property, and he welcomed us in.

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Jesse Ballard
He pulled out some cots for us to lay on, and again, we just fell fast asleep. Sleep through the night and as the as we’re there, he’s also giving us cup after cup of tea or chai so that we could get hydrated. And as we’re waking up, I remember this what’s probably an old wives tale to test if you’re dehydrated or not, where if you lift the skin on the back of your hand, if it sticks together, supposedly you’re dehydrated.

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Jesse Ballard
And I thought, oh, I’ve been walking in a desert. I mean, I’m dehydrated. And sure enough, when I lifted that skin, it stuck together. So keep that tea coming, get rehydrated. But as I’m waking up that next day, I hear another strange sound. It’s little kids yelling and I can hear that thunk, thunk thunk of rocks being thrown up into this tree near my bed.

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Jesse Ballard
And I look up and there’s a giant snake up in the tree. I was pretty scared, but these kids just kept at it and kept checking the rocks, and eventually that snake slithered away. So big sigh of relief there. So now we had to figure out how in the world we were going to get home. Well, this old camp happened to have an old ham radio.

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Jesse Ballard
The problem was it had a dead battery. So these two Samburu Lascaris guards, who were part of the the staff at the camp, decided they were going to book it back to our car and get the battery out of the car that we could hook up to the radio and call for help. They did that trip so quick for my brother, and I felt like hundreds and hundreds of miles, but they were back real fast.

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Jesse Ballard
So we hooked up the radio and my dad gets on there and we hear this crackling over the radio and another familiar voice. It’s our neighbor from back in Nairobi, placing the order for her tented camp. A dozen eggs and a bag of flour. What are the odds that it would be Mrs. Cotter on the radio? But eventually my dad got through to friends who were wonderful and volunteered to drive up and help get the car and get my dad and the family back home.

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Jesse Ballard
Well, my parents decided that another long drive was not the best thing for it and seen little me and my brother. So they managed to make a connection with a local pilot who had a little Cessna plane, likely something like an hour story earlier, and he flew into this remote area. No landing strip, just a bumpy road, but bumpy fields that he landed in, and myself and my brother and my mom loaded into this tiny little plane, which for me was so exciting.

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Jesse Ballard
We were going to fly in this cool little plane and get home. My brother was prone to car sickness, which also translates to air sickness. So he’s in that plane just trying to hold it together, and my mom’s doing her best to distract him from wanting to vomit by pointing out things that were flying by. So we’re flying along, and my mom sees this waterfall in the distance.

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Jesse Ballard
Look, man, look at that cool waterfall. Our daredevil pilot decides you want to see the waterfall? Let’s go. Hangs a really sharp right. Pulls the plane right up against the waterfall, which did not help the air sickness at all. Eventually we make it back home. My dad makes it back home and we are safely under the roof in our own house.

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Jesse Ballard
And I’m back in my bed with my dollhouse in the corner. The horse mural on the wall. I’m sure my parents were in their room going. Never again. But for me, I had a trophy proudly up on my bookshelf, given to me by my parents. A little trophy that on the bottom, red nest Walker. You get.

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Marc Moss
Thanks, Jesse. Jesse is a perinatal care coordinator who moonlights as an actor and a birth doula. She lives in Missoula with her husband, two kids, and two cats. In our next story, Betsy Funk hikes with her adult daughter Kelsey, in Glacier National Park on what would become a grueling hike for her daughter. Kelsey’s determination and love for the outdoors pushed them through tears and exhaustion.

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Marc Moss
Betsy calls her story Glacier calls. Thanks for listening.

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Betsy Funk
I’m from Glacier country. And for those of you who know Glacier Country, you know that the park calls to us and often that means we’re compelled to go visit her. This is happening this one week, and I was feeling it, needing to go back to Glacier. Back to hike. So I made the decision to go. One day I called a friend.

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Betsy Funk
I said, let’s go hiking. She said, yeah, I’m up for it. Let’s go. I said, well, have to start early because we want to get back in time. She had a baby and we wanted to make sure the baby got back in time to get some rest. She says, yeah, no problem. I got this. And so I went and picked her up.

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Betsy Funk
We loaded up the baby backpack, the snacks, all the Kutama of going to Glacier. Of course, we got our layers and our bear spray and headed up to Glacier to our favorite hike. Now, my friend is my daughter, and she, she has her son, and she’s excited about going on this hike because she’s been doing this with me since I was carrying her in the backpack up the hike.

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Betsy Funk
She did it with me when she was a teenager and says, I will go no farther. And she also did it with me and kicked my ass up the switchbacks. So we know it’s her favorite. She has, she has a real passion for this part of the park, as do I. So we get to the trailhead. It’s about eight in the morning.

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Betsy Funk
We decide we’re going to start early. This particular trail takes on a slow day, about six hours to do. It’s not extraordinary hard, but it is touted as one of the most beautiful hikes in the park. So as we’re unloading her son and I’m unloading her and we’re getting things ready to go, I look over at her and I say, Kelsey, how are you doing?

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Betsy Funk
I’m good mom. I said, so you sure about this? Yes, mom, I got this. I said, great. Okay. You’re sure of it? Let’s go. So the trail drops off. the going to the sun Road, and it goes for about a mile into the subalpine forest. And as you step on that trail, the sounds of the road drop away and you’re surrounded by the moistness of bear grass and ferns.

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Betsy Funk
A soft foot underneath. And it gradually hikes uphill into these beautiful mountains. That compelled us to go and call us. So as we’re hiking, I’m realizing this is taking Kelsey a little longer than I thought it would. Now she’s carrying her son, and, And that’s okay. So I turn around and say, you sure you’re up to this?

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Betsy Funk
She says, oh, I got this, mom, so I’m fine about I don’t know, I want to make a guess, but a mile to a mile and a half in on the trail, it’s becoming pretty apparent to me that this is going to be a long day. She’s taking a while, and I guess this is where I tell you that my daughter is in six plus years of living with and gradually dying from, glioblastoma multiforme, which is brain cancer.

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Betsy Funk
It’s terminal. She’s been through two brain surgeries, five and a half years of chemotherapy and a full term pregnancy. she’s a fighter, and she wants to do this hike. She loves this hike. But when you look at her, you realize that cancer, it doesn’t take you all at once. Cancer takes you. Bit by bit, one piece at a time.

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Betsy Funk
And I’ve been watching for over six years. My daughter die in front of my eyes, one piece at a time. So we’re hiking along the trail and I’m starting to be concerned. It’s taking her a while. She’s gained a lot of weight with all the treatment. She’s slow, she’s tired. And I ask her, else we can stop at the why?

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Betsy Funk
It’s okay. We’ve been here. It’s wonderful. She says, no, mom, I got this. So we get to the why where she knows the next thing she’s going to see are these glorious meadows filled with arnica, an Indian paintbrush, mountain aster. And she has a degree in horticulture. So she she says she’s jazzed. She wants to see this. So we get to the line and I say, okay, we’ve got a choice.

00;18;34;06 – 00;18;55;18
Betsy Funk
We could stop here, go back, have lunch. It’s great. We’ve seen wonderful things. We could go on up to get an idea, or we could head over, say, pass. And she says, mom, Syde pass. That’s the only option. I got this. So we head up. The meadows are there. They’re up to our knees in color and riotous glory.

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Betsy Funk
It’s a misty day. So we are as hot. It’s cool. And the mist has made the flowers scream at us. It’s glorious. And I’m hiking with my daughter. So from there we open up and we go through some beautiful waterfalls and creeks and we get to the switchbacks. Now these switchbacks are no fake. Go. They’re real switchbacks. They go and they go, and then there’s little summit and then you go some more.

00;19;29;03 – 00;19;53;05
Betsy Funk
at this point, we’ve been on the trail twice as long as it would take anybody else to be on the trail. I said it was a misty day, so there were very few people on the trail, and those people had long since passed us where I thought we’d be done. At about two in the afternoon, it was becoming pretty apparent that we might be down after dark.

00;19;53;07 – 00;20;18;15
Betsy Funk
We go to start the switchbacks, and it’s even more apparent that Kelsey is weakening. She’s struggling about every ten meters. She has to stop. Let’s feed the baby mom. Let’s take a rest. Kelsey. We can go back any time I got this, mom. It’s okay. I got this on these switchbacks. She finally allowed me to take the baby.

00;20;18;17 – 00;20;44;07
Betsy Funk
I carried them on my back. Now you’re wondering, what’s he doing? Well, he was just hanging out. He was cool. He was wrapped up all snuggly warm, and I just kept handing food back there. He was good. So we’re hiking up the switchbacks, waiting for calcium, checking in. How are you doing? I’m okay. I got it, mom. Take the next switchback.

00;20;44;07 – 00;21;11;21
Betsy Funk
How are you to him? Mom, I’ve got this. Okay. We eventually make it to the top. Along our way, we pick up a couple of heart stones. And as is tradition in my family, we put the heart stones on this enormous cairn that stands at the top of the pass. And we put them there to honor those who come before us and to guide those who come after us.

00;21;11;23 – 00;21;34;24
Betsy Funk
And we hold each other and we celebrate and we embrace and we feed the baby more food. and then I ask for calcium. If we go back, it’s shorter. We know where we’ve been and we’re okay. It’s an extra mile, a mile and a half to go down the other Syde. Mom, I didn’t come here to quit.

00;21;34;26 – 00;22;03;17
Betsy Funk
I’ve got this. So I take a deep breath. I say, I’ll take the baby. She’s my baby, I said. Okay, she was a stubborn one. so she carried the baby as we drop down this trail. If you’ve never been there, you walk through hanging gardens of monkey flowers and orchids all scream and riotous color in the high alpine saying, come have sex with me, please.

00;22;03;20 – 00;22;31;25
Betsy Funk
The beautiful. And she is relishing in it. She’s in rapture. She’s loving this at the same time. Her legs are shaking. She’s worn through one pair of leggings because she’s large and her legs have chafed. She’s bleeding. I give her another pair of leggings. She’s begun to walk through them. She falls. She breaks up, holds. I ask if I can take a photo.

00;22;31;27 – 00;23;00;27
Betsy Funk
She says, nope, I got this mom. So we continue down, shaky knowing it’s getting late. There’s nobody on the trail at this point. The clouds are settling, it’s getting scary and it’s bare. 30 if anybody knows what bare 30 is. Well, basically the rule is stay 100 yards away from a bear right? Oh, I have someone with me who’s having trouble walking on the trail.

00;23;01;00 – 00;23;25;03
Betsy Funk
And when we see the full size, the grizzly bear ten feet off the trail and I ask her, can you bushwhack? She says, mom, I don’t think I can. I don’t think I can hold myself up. We can’t walk on the trail. I take a breath and I say, okay, so there is this full sized grizzly ten feet off the trail.

00;23;25;03 – 00;23;53;11
Betsy Funk
The trail goes on a switchback above the bear and below the bear. So we’re going to cut across a little field to try to avoid doing it twice. Right. So I tell Kelso, right here it is. Kelso, I’ve got the bear spray and I’m standing with the bear spray, and I go, you walk behind me and she goes, mom, I said, just walk behind me because I’m looking at that bear.

00;23;53;11 – 00;24;26;20
Betsy Funk
And I say right to his face, she’s not going to die today. Not today. And she makes it. She gets the other Syde. I start to back up, still holding the bear spray. The bear shakes his head and huff 70, walks over to a pine chain just below the bear. We made it. We continue down the trail and it’s clear Kelsey is truly struggling.

00;24;26;22 – 00;24;49;08
Betsy Funk
a ranger has been sent in to help us, although what could he do but help her up? Because at this point, I’m giving the baby her modality of getting down this trail, bleeding and shaky and very unstable is to sit on every step, slide on her ass, and have us help her up. And then she walks away to the next one.

00;24;49;08 – 00;25;17;02
Betsy Funk
Sets and slides. It’s getting later and later, and I’m thinking, we need to call somebody in. And I ask him, should we call for help? She says, mom, I gotta do this. I got this. We make it to the bottom. It’s glorious. I’m relieved. I’m crying. The baby’s asleep. and there’s a at the bottom of this trail.

00;25;17;02 – 00;25;42;06
Betsy Funk
There’s this beautiful path that goes down on the river. And I go and put my feet in. Because I’m an old woman and my feet hurt. And she goes and puts her feet and she’s. Oh, this doesn’t this won’t do, mom. And she goes because she’s bleeding and she sits right in the creek and she goes, you know, mom.

00;25;42;08 – 00;26;02;12
Betsy Funk
I don’t think I’ll ever be able to do that again. And I looked right at her and I said, you know what else you got? This. Thank you.

00;26;02;14 – 00;26;24;04
Marc Moss
Thanks, Betsy. Betsy Font lives in the Flathead Valley, where, surrounded by mountains, she raised her family. She believes stories are the result of the mischief wonder and magic of life and of a willingness to be witness to all of it. To see photos of Kelsey and Betsy on their hike visit. Tell us something, doc. Work coming up after the break.

00;26;24;06 – 00;26;40;28
Syd Lang
Thank goodness for the open mouth piece, right? Yeah, so I’m throwing up everywhere, and all of a sudden the crowd of kids just falls completely silent.

00;26;41;01 – 00;26;42;13
Syd Lang
And a kid goes.

00;26;42;16 – 00;26;43;18
Betsy Funk
Hey.

00;26;43;21 – 00;26;47;23
Syd Lang
That’s my grandma’s costume that you’re throwing up in.

00;26;47;26 – 00;27;08;22
Marc Moss
Remember that the next tell us the main event is January 13th. You can learn about how to pitch your story and get tickets at Tell Us something.org. Thank you to our story sponsors who help us to pay our storytellers the Good Food Store. For more than 50 years, The Good Food Store has been Missoula’s homegrown independent source for natural, organic and locally sourced food.

00;27;08;24 – 00;27;43;14
Marc Moss
Learn more at Good Food store.com. And thanks to story sponsor ParkSyde Credit Union, whose mission it is to be the best place for people of western Montana to get a loan. Learn more at ParkSyde fcu.org. Thanks to our accessibility sponsor SBS solar, allowing us to provide American Sign Language interpretation at the live event. SBF solar stands at the forefront of the solar energy revolution, with over 30 years of industry experience specializing in custom solar design and installation for both reSydential and commercial applications.

00;27;43;20 – 00;28;10;17
Marc Moss
SBA solar is committed to promoting energy independence and environmental sustainability. Learn more at SBS linc.com. And thanks to our workshop sponsor, White Tide Designs, helping us to feed our storytellers at the group workshop. White Tie Designs is a woman led art and design studio that produces colorful spaces and stunning artwork that fosters positivity and empowers individuals to be their best selves.

00;28;10;19 – 00;28;34;26
Marc Moss
Learn more at Wide Tide designs.com. Thanks to our media sponsors, Mizzou Events Dot net, where you find all the good things that are happening. All of our Missoula and Missoula Broadcasting Company. Learn more about them and listen online at Missoula Broadcasting company.com. Thanks to our in-kind sponsors. Float Missoula. Learn more at float msl.com and choice of Tyler. Learn about Joyce at Joyce of tile.com.

00;28;34;29 – 00;28;58;14
Marc Moss
All right, let’s get back to the stories. You are listening to the Tell Us Something podcast. I’m Marc Moss closing out this episode of the Tell Us Something podcast. Syd Lange is a summer camp counselor at a small, long running camp in Colorado. Listen as she meets a special individual one summer and watch their friendship blossom amidst laughter, shared stories, and a whole lot of fun.

00;28;58;16 – 00;29;08;17
Marc Moss
Syd calls her story lovesick. Thanks for listening.

00;29;08;19 – 00;29;39;15
Syd Lang
I’m standing in the middle of a large dining room, and I’m in a bit of a pickle. The problem is, there is a cute girl sitting in the corner and I am in fluorescent, Colorado. well, actually, not in fluorescent. Fluorescent, as of the last census, had 149 people who lived there. It’s technically an unincorporated community, and I’m in Florissant, but not really forest.

00;29;39;15 – 00;30;02;20
Syd Lang
And I’m actually 30 minutes up a dirt road in the middle of nowhere. And I’m in this dining hall, and I see this girl and she’s sitting in the corner, and I want to go sit by her. She’s got this wild mullet that I later learned. She’s cut herself with a river knife on the Grand Canyon, and she’s got these vibrant eyes, and I want to sit next to her.

00;30;02;20 – 00;30;32;15
Syd Lang
But I’m a little bit nervous, and I’m nervous because on the drive out from Montana to Colorado, I’ve lost my voice somewhere. Wyoming’s long takes a long time to drive through there. I’m sure somewhere my voice has taken a stop and not come with me. I get to Colorado and I, I have laryngitis. And so here I am, standing in this room trying to meet a staff of seven people, small staff, and I can’t speak.

00;30;32;15 – 00;30;36;07
Syd Lang
And so I’m introducing myself, scratching through words. And I’m saying I am sad.

00;30;36;07 – 00;30;37;12
Betsy Funk
And I, I don’t.

00;30;37;12 – 00;30;57;00
Syd Lang
Normally sound like this, and I don’t know what to tell you. And I’m so happy to be here. And, it’s my fourth time coming to work at this outdoor education center. And we do summer camp, and we also do, teaching students. And so I spend the next week during staff training trying to get to know this girl.

00;30;57;01 – 00;31;14;19
Syd Lang
It’s not going well. I’m not really getting to know anyone because no one can hear me. And so at the end of training, we decide that we’re going to go all together as a staff. We’re going to go into town. The big town. And so we get in two separate cars, and I manage to weasel my way into the car with her.

00;31;14;19 – 00;31;32;03
Syd Lang
And I’m thinking, oh, good, here we go. Now it’s my time to rock. And so we get in the cars, you know, five, seven person staff team, right? Five people and one car, two people and the other. Here we go. So we get in the old 2001 Subaru Outback, and she rolls down all the windows because it’s August in Colorado.

00;31;32;03 – 00;31;52;12
Syd Lang
It’s still pretty hot. She turns on the radio and she’s singing the whole drive, and my little scratchy laryngitis voice is no competition for the windows or the music. And so I’m silent. The whole two hour car ride. We get to town and she has this great idea. We should go to karaoke.

00;31;52;14 – 00;31;54;16
Betsy Funk
Like, oh, awesome.

00;31;54;18 – 00;32;23;15
Syd Lang
This is perfect. So I get to karaoke and Big Green Tractor, my typical karaoke songs. Not sounding as good as it usually does, and I’m up there and I’m scratching through the lyrics and I finally, as the night goes on, I get a chance to sit outSyde with her and we’re talking about how we both have worked at this camp, but we’ve worked there opposing seasons, and so we have never we’ve never met before.

00;32;23;18 – 00;32;26;03
Syd Lang
And she goes, oh, I’ve heard of you, though.

00;32;26;06 – 00;32;26;11
Betsy Funk
Like.

00;32;26;13 – 00;32;48;25
Syd Lang
Oh God, this can’t be good. And she goes, yeah, you’re Patient zero, aren’t you? Yep. So, so let’s go back to 2019. It was my second summer at camp, and I’m coming as the climbing director this summer. And my goal is to get students excited to sign up for my climbing program, because the more they sign up, the more I get to climb.

00;32;48;25 – 00;33;17;02
Syd Lang
And that’s the dream job to a 19 year old. And so here I am. I’m dressed in front of all of the kids. It’s 150. Kids are sitting in an outdoor auditorium, and I’m putting on an opening night performance, and it’s this zany, wild experience and I’m dressed head to toe in a giraffe costume. And luckily, there is a break in the giraffe costume from the top of my head to the bottom of my chin.

00;33;17;02 – 00;33;33;27
Syd Lang
It’s got this like big giraffe muzzle, you might call it these big ears. And I’m in a belay system, which is a climbing term. If you don’t know, I’m wearing a harness and another person is also wearing a harness, and we’re kind of mocking what climbing might be like. And I have no control over if I’m moving forwards or backwards.

00;33;33;27 – 00;33;53;20
Syd Lang
I’m tied into a rope and my player is deciding how much slack I get. And so here I am, and I’m like dancing in front of everyone. I’m so excited. I’m the giraffe and I’m going to climb with you all summer. Come sign up, and all of the sudden I turned to the left and I just start spewing vomit just out of nowhere.

00;33;53;20 – 00;34;10;18
Syd Lang
Thank goodness for the open mouthpiece, right? Yeah. So I’m throwing up everywhere, and all of a sudden the crowd of kids just falls completely silent.

00;34;10;20 – 00;34;12;03
Syd Lang
And a kid goes.

00;34;12;05 – 00;34;13;06
Betsy Funk
Hey.

00;34;13;09 – 00;34;36;14
Syd Lang
That’s my grandma’s costume that you’re throwing up in. And so I’m standing in front of everybody spewing vomit and also spewing the norovirus, which took over the entire camp all summer. looking back, it was pretty awesome. You know, kids in the dining hall, they’re standing up and three kids are vomiting at once. And all these interactions, it was a real stand by me moment.

00;34;36;15 – 00;34;56;21
Syd Lang
We had a barf tally on the Syde. Yeah. Totally awesome. So I coined the name patient zero, and I’m sitting here and I’m like, really going into this story, like telling her maybe more than I should. And I look over after talking about this and I’m expecting her face to be like, oh. And she looks at me with just this, like excited astonishment.

00;34;56;22 – 00;35;14;03
Syd Lang
She goes, well, hey, that’s cool. Have you heard of my character early? Like, oh, okay, we’re going to do this. Here we go. And so she starts telling me about this character named Earl, which is a bird, and the bird dance to every event. And Earl kind of sounded like this. So she’s going into Earl.

00;35;14;03 – 00;35;39;11
Syd Lang
And then I start talking about granny. And granny was my other claim to fame at this establishment. Granny is an old character. She’s an old woman character. And I’m working outdoor ed season at this time. And so fifth and sixth grade students from the surrounding area in Colorado, they come up and they spend a week with myself and the other field instructors, and we we replace part of their curriculum from the class.

00;35;39;11 – 00;36;01;16
Syd Lang
So we’re teaching it. And also acting it out. It’s really an odd place. And so I am working I’m teaching the, the homesteading curriculum, and I’m granny dressed head to toe in a bonnet. And granny, I just fell in love with granny. So I spent two months being granny and granny sounded like this. Hey, kids. Well, come.

00;36;01;16 – 00;36;01;23
Betsy Funk
On.

00;36;01;23 – 00;36;07;08
Syd Lang
Down. Here we go. We’re going to churn some butter.

00;36;07;10 – 00;36;29;20
Syd Lang
And granny had a really rough season because granny had giardia. And if you don’t know what giardia is, it is a parasite you get from drinking unclean water. And she already really stays until you take care of it. So the idea, Judy, a granny, is running around teaching these kids in her bonnet and her and her homesteading dress.

00;36;29;27 – 00;36;45;19
Syd Lang
She keeps going, Granny’s got dysentery. Where is the chamber pot? So at this point, everybody has heard about patient Zero and also granny with giardia.

00;36;45;21 – 00;37;08;21
Syd Lang
And I’m swapping stories with this girl. Her name is Sophia, and we’re going back and forth, back and forth and just doubling over in laughter outSyde of this karaoke bar. And we decide that what we need to do is bring Earl and granny together. And there’s a perfect opportunity for that. We have, in this outdoor ed season, what’s called the hoedown.

00;37;08;24 – 00;37;29;29
Syd Lang
And I can guarantee you, you have never been to anything like the High Trails Hoedown. It is magical and wild. All the students are packed into a small auditorium. The teachers are. They are wide eyed, confused, or like, this is what you do. What? And all the staff comes in, were dancing around in different costumes and we put on a performance.

00;37;29;29 – 00;37;51;14
Syd Lang
And every night the performance looks different because we don’t play in it and it goes on for like two hours. These kids dancing at the hoedown and granny and Earl come out and they just steal the show. And for the next two months, granny and Earl steal the show every single week, granny and Earl.

00;37;52;24 – 00;38;26;08
Syd Lang
Spend a lot of time together. Granny and Earl also sit in Sofia, fall in love. throughout the entirety of that season, Sophia’s mullet slowly grows out. My voice slowly comes back. Thank goodness. Good old Larry’s kicked it, kicked the curb, and, we moved back to his unit together. And granny and Earl still live in Missoula. We’ve been here for two and a half years, and we have a pretty darn good time.

00;38;26;11 – 00;38;38;07
Syd Lang
and I would say we still know how to throw a pretty dang good hoedown.

00;38;38;09 – 00;39;12;06
Marc Moss
Thanks, Syd. Sydney Lang grew up in Olympia, Washington, and has been living in Grand Old Missoula, Montana on and off for the past seven years. She attended the University of Montana, where she studied communication and climate change. She spends much of her time climbing big rocks and zooming through the trees on her bike. She has been working in the outdoor education world for many years both in Montana and Colorado, said love seat bubble gum, ice cream, practice slack line by the river, play on local trails and cook dinner with friends.

00;39;12;08 – 00;39;35;12
Marc Moss
Thanks for listening to the Tell Us Something podcast. Remember that the next Tell Us Something event is January 13th. The theme is hold my beer. Learn how to pitch your story and get tickets at Tell Us something.org.

00;00;00;00 – 00;00;25;10
Marc Moss
Welcome to the Tell Us Something podcast. I’m Marc Moss, founder and executive director of Tell Us Something. We are currently looking for storytellers for the next Tell Us something storytelling event. The theme is hold My beer. If you’d like to pitch your story for consideration, please call (406) 203-4683. You have three minutes to leave your pitch. The pitch deadline is December 7th.

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Marc Moss
I look forward to hearing from you this week on the podcast.

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James Crosby
Someday you’re going to be cool. That is what the rebellious older sister says to her younger brother. Towards the beginning of Almost Famous, my rebellious younger sister did not share that same positive outlook.

00;00;47;18 – 00;01;02;15
Aaron Miller
A couple of weeks later, mom got me into private speech therapy in order to improve some of my speaking, reading and writing. And mom was also told that I was not going to be able to read or write in my life. When she first found out I had autism.

00;01;02;17 – 00;01;16;15
Marc Moss
For storytellers to share their true personal story on the theme. Never again. And it’s a party. Everyone’s dancing. Everyone singing along. Strangers are kissing each other. Hugging. Everyone’s just. It’s a celebration.

00;01;16;17 – 00;01;34;07
Karna Sundby
I realized that I was in the middle of this horrific storm. Suspended from a few sheets of ripstop nylon. It’s funny how there’s not fear, how logic kicks in when you’re making decisions that may possibly save your life.

00;01;34;09 – 00;01;55;09
Marc Moss
Their stories were recorded live in person in front of a packed house September 18th, 2024, at the George and Jane Denison Theater in Missoula, Montana. Tell Us Something acknowledges that we gather on the ancestral lands of the Salish, Kootenai, and Pender peoples. These lands have been inhabited for millennia, shaped by the wisdom and stewardship of the First Nation peoples.

00;01;55;11 – 00;02;21;18
Marc Moss
We acknowledge the historical and ongoing trauma inflicted upon indigenous communities, including the forcible removal from their lands, the destruction of their cultures, and the systemic injustices that continue to persist. As we honor the indigenous people who have called this place home. Let us commit to learning from their traditions and values a tangible way to do that. If you live in Missoula, Montana, is to visit the Missoula Public Library on Friday, November 1st.

00;02;21;18 – 00;02;48;19
Marc Moss
Missoula Public Library hosts a First Friday event highlighting native art and culture, showcasing the library’s permanent collection. That event kicks off four weeks of programing celebrating native American Heritage Month. A tooltip will be installed on the Harrison Children’s Library. They will unveil an exhibit of the Salish Kootenay Seasonal Round that gives children a new interactive learning tool. They will also debut a new collection of indigenous books and materials.

00;02;48;21 – 00;03;19;04
Marc Moss
Stop by the library or visit Missoula Public Library Board to learn more. Tell us something. Stories sometimes have adult themes. Storytellers sometimes use adult language. In our first story. Listen to James Crosby share his disastrous sailing camp experiences and life changing moments as a lifeguard. James shares his journey of self-discovery and resilience, and discovers how a seemingly simple act of kindness led him to finding his true calling and inspire others along the way.

00;03;19;04 – 00;03;27;28
Marc Moss
In a story that he calls too big to sail. Thanks for listening.

00;03;28;01 – 00;04;11;07
James Crosby
Someday you’re going to be cool. That is what the rebellious older sister says to her younger brother. Towards the beginning of Almost Famous, my rebellious younger sister did not share that same positive outlook. I had no shot at being cool. All the things you needed to do to be cool. I was not good at seeing. When I turned 13, I had gone through a growth spurt that was kind of like one of those Play-Doh pasta presses.

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My limbs just shot out of my body.

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And I was a total liability on the sports field. I was kind of like, if the wacky inflatable arms guy had a jersey on.

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His.

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Nice defense. James, I’m on your team. Well.

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So I had yet to find my thing. I had yet to find the thing that would make me cool. But if I was signing your yearbook, headed into the summer. That summer that I turned 13. I knew that my time was coming because I was looking forward to sailing camp, sailing camp last summer. This is when I was 12.

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I had gone for the first time. It was the Chesapeake Bay and you couldn’t have been further from the ocean. It was great because I had just started watching Shark Week. So sailing was not a great choice. But we overcame that because my goodness, I got it. Port side. Port. Port. That’s left. Left. Nice starboard. I like starbursts, I opened them with my right hand.

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Starboard. Starburst. Right. Yes, I got it. I could tie some knots, like. All right. That’s pretty good. And when we finally got into the boats, I kind of understood how the wind worked. And, boy, that feeling when you got going downwind and you tacked so the wind caught the other side of the sail and the boom swung over your head and caught the wind.

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And you felt the power of the boat surged forward. The sun on your face, the wind, the sound of the water on the hull of the boat. I was in it, and there was nobody else I could disappoint. It was just me out on my boat. The captain of my craft. It was great. The things that I had to endure with sailing camp also included golf.

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It hurts when you swing in with. It hurts even worse when you hear somebody behind you go. Ooh!

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And then there was tennis. Tennis? I was the only camper to ever lose an entire game on the serve. I was serving up nothing but disappointment. I was so bad that after I lost this entire game, I went to practice my serve against the fence. And I just hit the ball straight over the fence, across the road, into the pool.

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Nobody wanted me on my team. Nobody wanted me on their team. I didn’t want to be on my team. Let’s be honest. So finally it came time to sail and I was so excited. I was so excited. Except as a as a camper. I was there towards the end of the summer, so a lot of the other campers, they were there the whole summer and this summer that I returned.

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I noticed that the people I had been sailing with last summer had moved on to bigger boats. Suddenly the people around me were a lot smaller, and when I went to set up my boat that year, I noticed that the mast was kind of short. In fact, the whole gear was unusually easy to carry over, and when I finally set up my boat and shoved off shore out into the great wide open of the Chesapeake Bay, once again, this is far from the ocean.

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You could probably stand the whole time, but there I was, out on my boat, and when I went to tack to turn the boat, when the boom was supposed to go over my head, this time it hit me right in the arm, and I wrestled the boom over my head and pushed it out to the other side, at which point the boat had turned back into the wind and the boom came right back.

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Knocked me into the back corner of my craft, and I took on some water. Yikes. All right, so I’m bailing it out and the booms coming around, and I try to push it around, and I fall back and I take on some more water. And before I know it, I hear the thing that still chills me to my soul.

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It’s the recovery boat coming out to say, hey, are you okay? If you have to say, are you okay? I am not okay. And as they dragged me back to shore, waist deep in water because I couldn’t fit on the recovery boat while they held the sail, the look from my peers was mortifying. I did fail upwards, though.

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I became somebody else’s problem. I was too big to sail, so they put me in the bigger boats. That didn’t make me a better sailor. Now I just had two other people in the boat with me. Luckily they were also bad at sailing, so I wasn’t really letting them down. We were all figuring it out. Well, at the end of the week it came time for the Gibson Island Regatta and we had accomplished nothing.

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James CrosbyIn fact, our boat was so bad that by the time we thankfully crossed the finish line, the other boats were already rigging up on the beach. But there were only three boats in the race that day, so we got a medal.

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I still felt like a loser, but I was so bankrupt of mojo that when the cute girl at camp asked me to go to the dance, I said no because once again, the wacky wavy inflatable arms guy was not on the dance floor. I promise. So I vowed at that time I would never sail again until years later.

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I had become a lifeguard. Now I became a lifeguard because I thought lifeguards were cool and in a pool. I didn’t really have to swim because I could stand just about everywhere. So I had become a lifeguard and I took it very seriously. And my sister was also a lifeguard, and she could assure you that I was still not cool.

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And one day I met a guy who would change everything. I saw this guy get up onto the diving board with his son and throw his son from the diving board into the water and from across the pool. I was like, it’s time, I gotta go. So I went cruising, sir. Sir. And his son was flopping in the deep end.

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Looked like he was drowning. And as I get closer, he pops his head out of the water. He’s got this huge smile on his face and he’s swimming as though, oh my gosh, okay, what’s happening? And the guy on the diving board is laughing and he’s laughing. He says, hey, it’s okay, we do this all the time. This is my son Josh, and Josh has cerebral palsy.

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He can’t get around grade on land, but when he’s in the water, he can do his thing. And Josh is a daredevil. He doesn’t want to get into the shallow end. He wants to get chucked in to the deep end. So it turns out Ross says, hey, we’re looking for lifeguards. Are you looking for some extra time, some extra help?

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And I said, yeah, I think that that could be cool. And he says, actually, it’s a, it’s a windsurfing program. Do you know how to sail?

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Well, Ross, I got third place in the Gibson Island Regatta. I,

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So I show up for my first day on the job, meet the other instructors. They’re all really cool. We’re all getting along. And this camp is for kids with disabilities. And the whole thing is to get them out on the water, to get them to move in ways that they can’t on land. And my job as a windsurf instructor is to use this adaptive windsurfer.

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It’s two long, skinny windsurfers with a sheet of four foot by eight foot plywood in between. It has two sails. The front sail is for the instructor to work the sail, catch the wind and move us around the back. Sail a much smaller one is for our athletes, kids in wheelchairs, kids that can’t move around. Sometimes the only thing they can move is one finger.

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And my job is to get that one finger on the boom so that they can feel the wind catch the sail. They can feel the boat surge across the water. They can hear the water on the hull, and if the wind moves the wrong direction, I’m there to block the boom. That was something I was super qualified at.

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So whatever it took for me to get to that point was something I was happy to endure, because the look on those kids faces made it all worthwhile.

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Marc Moss
Thanks, James. The oldest and tallest among dozens of first cousins, James Crosby oddly and infuriatingly found himself outmatched in many backyard sports. He earned scores of nicknames Stone hands, Butterfingers, flood pants, all apt descriptions of his athletic prowess and giraffe like physique. After years of searching for the thing that could make him cool, a summer job with Access Sport America taught him to be something better.

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Marc Moss
To learn more about the adaptive programs at Access Sport America, visit go access.org. In our next story. ‘s autism diagnosis doesn’t define him. It fuels his determination. From speech therapy to high school theater, Aaron overcomes his challenges and proves his capabilities. Aaron believes that disabilities aren’t limitations. They’re opportunities for growth. Aaron calls his story growing up. Thanks for listening.

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Aaron Miller
Sorry I was laughing too hard. From James’s story. So I have less of a story and a little bit more of a statement. So a lot of people think of mental disabilities such as autism, ADHD as bad. But I’m going to say they’re not. And I’m not saying that because I have one of my own. I’m saying because it’s true.

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And here’s why. So when I was four. Mom had just found out that I had autism, and she had absolutely no idea how to react. My brother was born three years before I was, and he does not have anything like autism or ADHD or even anything that he got later in life. like PTSD or anything like that.

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So mom had no idea how to react. A couple weeks later, mom got me into private speech therapy in order to improve some of my speaking, reading, and writing. And mom was also told that I was not going to be able to be able. I’m sorry. I was not going to be able to read or write in my life.

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When she first found out I had autism. So a couple of weeks later, she signs me up for private speech therapy in order to improve my speaking, reading, and writing because I was already doing it. But I sucked at it with because I was four years old.

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So I was not happy. I did not think it was for me because I thought it was stupid. So I was not looking forward to the first day. So we first go in and we’re brought into this really small waiting room. And to the left is a hallway that leads to a bunch of other people’s offices. And then straight ahead is a hallway to the back of the building, which is like a playroom.

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So I get in and after waiting a little bit, I get introduced to a mentor named Margaret. And she takes me and my mom over to her office down the left hallway. And then she starts asking mom a couple questions. Mom starts asking Margaret a couple questions. And then she starts asking me a couple questions. And then at some point, she had mom leave the room.

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This was when I was extremely uncomfortable. I did not get defiant, which is good. But I was still very uncomfortable. So mom leaves the room and on the inside I’m like, help! So Margaret continues to ask a couple of questions such as spell this, pronounce this. Can you write this down? And it wasn’t that long of a trial.

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Once we were done, I was excited that I was going to be going home because it was all over. And then mom broke the news to me and said that I had to come back. I did not want that to come. And then I found myself a couple weeks later back into the building with Margaret, with mom not in the room.

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And I still thought it was done.

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At this point, Margaret started doing something that she did consistently almost every time I saw her. She would show me an iPad and on it would be an animated sequence picture. You’re like picture. You’re in a classroom and you’re taking any kind of test, math test, history test, whatever. You’re taking a test and you need to sharpen your pencil because it just broke.

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But the teacher said that you can’t get up, so you can’t get up and sharpen your pencil. Even though you just asked the teacher. So you either have the option to get up when the teacher isn’t looking and sharpen your pencil. Kindly ask again if you can sharpen your pencil, or just get up and start screaming.

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I first had no idea what to do with these situations because they were always the same thing. It was always an animated problem. Problem comes up and then it gives me three choices and one of them’s correct. I had no idea what to do with these because I had just started kindergarten.

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So I was.

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So Margaret started guiding me through them. And when I started to learn what the right answers were, I started clicking the wrong answers on purpose.

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I was always like, okay, it’s not okay to yell. I’m going to click the yellow button.

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Karna Sundby
Boink.

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And Margaret always had to tell me that that was wrong and always had to tell me why that was. And then she started doing a sort of reward system. Every time I got one of them right, she would give me access to this Batman set that was in the corner of the of her room. It’s like a Barbie doll house, but it’s the Batcave, basically.

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So I would get one, right? And then let’s say she gives me, like, the Batman action figure, and then I get another one. Right? And she would give me, let’s say, one of Batman’s gadgets and so on. And I started to enjoy it, and I actually started to learn. And mom started to find me speaking, reading and writing.

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Over time. Eventually I started seeing someone else named Ed, and he worked a little differently. So something that he did most of the time was he would turn on his computer and he would open a Google doc, and then he would turn on the text to speech setting. And then what we would do is that we would have a normal conversation with each other, and then he would see how much I was talking and how well I was talking.

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My little kid brain exploded. When I found out that it was operated by my voice, he turned it on and I was immediately like, hi, my name is Aaron.

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How are.

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You? So we did that a couple times, and I started to have fun at speech therapy because I saw people like Ed where we had fun on the computer, we saw people, or I saw people like Margaret, where I got to play with her Batman set and go through her iPad and stuff with those animated things, whatever you want to call them.

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And I also saw someone else named Alana, but the problem is that I saw her the least, so I don’t remember what she did, but she’s going to be important later. So keep her in mind. I’m not joking when I say that. So about six years later, I took a break from private speech therapy, and at this point I had moved across town.

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My family had just met another family, and then we moved in. And now we’re just one big happy family, as they call it in the Disney things. So we move in together. But in the process of moving, I had to switch schools. I went from Lolo to the other side of Missoula near the airport, so I had to go from Lolo School to Hellgate Elementary and things got a little rough from there.

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Fifth grade was my first year there, and kids would immediately start going up to me and they would find out very quickly that I had autism. And when they did, they would avoid me. They avoided me. They would lie to get away from me and I would even get home. Sometimes crying because I always thought I had no friends or anything.

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So but over time, I actually managed to find friends, and those friends even doubted me at first. So I still found friends and everything was going okay. And then Covid came. Yeah, Covid sucked. So Covid came for all of sixth and seventh grade. I did not see my friends as often as I could, and I was always stuck in classes with kids who always made fun of me.

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And the worst part was that that’s the key thing, is that they made fun of me. They did not just tease me. They would say they wish that I got Covid first and that I would. Maybe there were some kids who said that they wish I would even die from Covid. And it was not good. Again, I would get home crying.

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Thank you. I would get home crying. And the problem was that mom could not do much because of the Covid policies. So I had to sit through this.

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But through it all, I never gave up. When I first moved across town, I started writing about my dreams and practice, and I was self-taught writing. I did homework. I did research. I’ve written like essays and everything like that at school, and I’ve proved that I’m really capable.

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Sorry. My train of thought derailed. I proved that I’m really capable. I have passed with straight A’s since seventh grade, and I’m now in my junior year of high school.

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So ever since I got into high school, no one has doubted me. I first joined the theater department after hearing what my brother and sister always said, because they did theater before me. So I did it, and everyone else was very similar. They had autism, ADHD, dyslexia, all of this stuff. So I fit in pretty well and I was given a chance.

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I’ve had people come up to me and say, hey, do you want to be in this piece that I’m doing? So I have passed with straight A’s and I’ve proved that I’m capable.

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And now I am the house and facility manager at big Sky High School for the drama department, which is really important.

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So through all of this. It was a rough ride. I will say, now ask yourself this is one’s disability a chance to improve? Yes. If very much is. I have gone through so much. But never again will I let my disability change me in any way again.

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Marc Moss
Thanks, Aaron. Aaron wanted me to add that Ed and Alana were in the audience that night, and he ran out of time while telling his story. He wants to acknowledge them and again pass along his gratitude to them. was born and raised in Missoula and currently goes to big Sky High School. He loves dogs, performs being outside, and making close friends.

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Aaron tries his best with work, people and even himself. In the summer, he works as a camp counselor for Missoula Parks and Recreation. Aaron has had four family members before him participate in other Tell Us Something events and is proud to join the ranks of Tell Us Something storytellers. Coming up after the break and it’s a party. Everyone’s dancing.

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Marc Moss
Everyone singing along. Strangers are kissing each other. Hugging. Everyone’s just, hey, it’s a celebration.

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Karna Sundby
I realized that I was in the middle of this horrific storm. Suspended from a few sheets of ripstop nylon. It’s funny how there’s not fear, how logic kicks in when you’re making decisions that may possibly save your life.

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Marc Moss
Remember that the next Tell Us Something event is January 13th. You can learn about how to pitch your story and get tickets at Tell Us something.org. Thank you to our story sponsors who help us to pay our storytellers. The Good Food Store. For more than 50 years, the Good Food Store has been Missoula’s homegrown independent source for natural, organic and locally sourced food.

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Learn more at Good Food store.com. And thanks to story sponsor Parkside Credit Union, whose mission it is to be the best place for people of western Montana to get a loan. Learn more at Parkside fcu.org. Thanks to our accessibility sponsor SBS solar, allowing us to provide American Sign Language interpretation at the live event. SBF solar stands at the forefront of the solar energy revolution, with over 30 years of industry experience specializing in custom solar design and installation for both residential and commercial applications.

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SBS solar is committed to promoting energy independence and environmental sustainability. Learn more at SBS linc.com. And thanks to our workshop sponsor, Wide Tide Designs, helping us to feed our storytellers at the group workshop. White Tie Designs is a woman led art and design studio that produces colorful spaces and stunning artwork that fosters positivity and empowers individuals to be their best selves.

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Learn more at Wide Tide designs.com. Thanks to our media sponsors, Missoula Events dot net, where you find all the good things that are happening all over Missoula and Missoula Broadcasting Company. Learn more about them and listen online at Missoula Broadcasting company.com. Thanks to our in-kind sponsors. Float Missoula. Learn more at float msl.com and choice of tile. Learn about Joyce at Joyce of tile.com.

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All right, let’s get back to the stories. You are listening to the Tell Us Something podcast. I’m Marc Moss. Our next storyteller believes in the power of storytelling so much he founded Tell Us Something in 2011. That’s right. Our next storyteller is me. I call my story. Is anybody alive out there tonight? Thanks for listening.

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Marc Moss
Go to your room. So I did. My 14 year old self is stomping up the stairs, silently cursing my dad. Some perceived transgression of mine. Maybe I put the dishes in the dishwasher incorrectly. Maybe I forgot to put the vacuum cleaner away after I vacuum the living room. I don’t know anything could have set him off. I walked into my room and I punched play on the tape deck and.

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Lights out tonight. Trouble in the heartland. Got a head on collision. Smashing in my guts, man. Caught in the crossfire. That I don’t understand. But there’s one thing I know for sure I don’t give a damn for the same old played out scenes. Man I don’t give a damn for just the in-betweens. Honey, I want the heart, I want the soul, I want control right now.

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You better listen to me, darlin. Talk about a dream. Try to make it real. The end up in the night with a fear so real. You spend your life waiting for a moment. That just don’t come.

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Bruce Springsteen.

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And Bruce Springsteen got me through that moment. He got me through lots of moments in my life. He got me through my first love. The only lover I’m ever going to need is your soul. Sweet little girl. Time.

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He got me through loneliness. Like a river that don’t know where it’s flowing. Took a wrong turn. And I just kept going. And so loving somebody like that so much. Somebody. Music. You want to see him perform? And Bruce is a poet. He’s a dreamer. But really, he’s a storyteller. And he puts on 3 to 4 hour shows.

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And I saw him from every tour from 1988 to 2005.

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Not every show, but I grew up in Cleveland, so it was easier than here. And in 2005. Well, first of all, the shows were amazing, and I loved them so much that, in Gardiner, when I lived in Gardiner, Montana, I drove 11 hours. I didn’t have a car. And so I was in the back of a pickup truck 11 hours to Fargo, North Dakota to go see him.

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You can listen to that story on the Tell Us Something website. I taught it a long time ago.

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I even got to see him at Giants Stadium in New York City. I didn’t know I was going to be in New York this like 2003 ish in that neighborhood. And I called my Aunt Tina, who introduced me to Bruce, and she was like, hey, don’t buy a ticket. I was like, what are these scalpers? Okay, so I get on the train from Manhattan and I go to Giants Stadium, and I walk into the parking lot kicking rocks.

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I got 20 bucks in my pocket hoping for the best. And this guy walks up, he’s like, do you need tickets? And I’m like, yeah. He goes, I know how much you’re out there. He goes, 30 bucks. I go, here’s ten. And he’s because you need their money. So he’s like, I can’t do it. I was like, okay.

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Marc MossAnd I’m like turned to start walking away. And he’s like, wait a minute, I can do it. So I gave him ten bucks. This reporter walks over to me, hey, I’m from the New York Times. I’m doing a story on scalpers.

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No lie. You can go to the New York Times website and read. photographer from Missoula, Montana, Marc Moss, had this to say. That’s true. But I didn’t get to see the Seeger Sessions tour. So in 2005, Bruce put together this 18 piece band brass band, and did a cover of, an album of Pete Seeger songs. And Joyce got to see the show.

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Way before I knew Joyce, she was living in New Orleans right after Hurricane Katrina, and she was working at this restaurant right near the track where Jazz Fest happens. She got out of work, and she just walked right in. So 2012, now we’re married. She calls me at work. Mark, Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band are headlining Jazz Fest this year.

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The Wrecking Ball album had just come out. I’m like, buy some plane tickets, we’re going to New Orleans. So we go to New Orleans. We’ve got friends there. We’re sitting at Louise’s by the track eating red beans and rice. I ask her, did you buy tickets? She goes, no, it’s Jazz Fest. Don’t worry about it. I’m like, look, if we’re going to do this show, we might get divorced.

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I mean, it’s important. Yeah, I was exaggerating, but I mean, it’s really I don’t know why it didn’t occur to me that, like, I couldn’t just go buy the tickets myself, but I wasn’t thinking about that. And so she sort of breaks down later like minutes later, I don’t know, an hour later, goes down, buys tickets. 20 minutes later, for the first time in history, Jazz Fest sells out.

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So eventually, you know, Jazz Fest comes around, we go to the show, it’s hot, it’s New Orleans, it’s June, it’s sweaty, it’s there’s no shade anywhere except for this one tree. And we’re sitting under this tree, and it’s 3:00 in the afternoon. And Bruce goes on at four, and doctor John’s playing, and I’m like, let’s go. We should start walking over to the stage.

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Enjoys this like it’s Jazz Fest. Don’t worry about it. I’ve never been to Jazz Fest. I’m worried about it. I’m like, it’s like quarter after three. Can we just. I want to go see Doctor John. I’ve seen Doctor John, she says, but I haven’t. I say I want to see him. So it’s like 3:45. I start walking over there without all my people.

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I don’t know, whatever. They’re just going to do what they’re going to do. They start to follow me. We get to the closest we can get, which is nowhere close. We’re going to have to watch the show on Jumbotrons, like from here to across the street outside the dentist. And that’s how far away we are. And I’m pissed.

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I’m grumpy. I’m frustrated. I’m trying not to let it wreck my afternoon. I’m trying to be present and get ready for the show. But it’s hot outside and my hand is swelling up and my ring and my wedding ring is stuck on my finger. And I. It’s not like I want to take it off because. But my hand is hurt, my finger is hurting, it’s swelling and I’m starting to freak out.

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And people are offering me ice. And this woman comes running over. Don’t put ice on it, she says. It’s going to make it worse. She pulls lotion out of her purse and she starts putting it on my finger, and she’s rubbing my finger, and she pulls my ring off and Bruce Springsteen walks out onto the stage. Thank God she gives me my ring back.

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I put it in my pocket and it’s a party. Everyone’s dancing, everyone singing along. Strangers are kissing each other. Hugging. Everyone’s just. It’s a celebration and brings us through pain and heartache and sex and rock and roll and party and just so that you’re Clarence Clemons, the saxophone player and Bruce Springsteen’s best friend had died and Jake Clemons clearance his nephew had to fill in.

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And during Born to Run, there’s a line. The change was made uptown and the big man joined the band. And at that moment, the show stops and a big slide show shows up selling vibrating clearances. Life.

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He finishes the song and then he sings another song about the dead. If you’re here, they are here. If you’re here, they’re here. If you’re here, they’re here. We’re here together. It’s like a gospel revival.

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So we walk out of the show and Joyce goes, I get it, I get it now. So we drive to Portland and see him there, and we get into the show. We’re close this time. We’re right up near the stage. And at that moment where the change was made up time and the big man joins the band like he stops the show again.

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Except this time he has this long catwalk out into the audience, and he’s out on the catwalk and he turns around and he’s watching the show, you know, with us, the the slide show. And then this magical thing happens. He falls backwards off the stage into the crowd. The crowd catches him and he’s crowd surfing. I knew you were going to do that.

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Crowd surfing across all of us. I got to grab his ass.

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He gets up, back up onto the stage, and he’s, like, patting himself down like I did somebody steal my wallet? Ha ha. And he pulls out a phone out of his pocket and he’s surprised by it. Someone had shoved their phone into his pocket, and he takes a selfie and you’re like, throws it to the roadie. Roadie catches it and he goes, hey, if that was your phone.

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Go get it after the show. Like, you don’t get that on a CD. You don’t get that streaming. You don’t get that on an album. You don’t get that you’ve been watching a video. That’s real connection. And I’m never going to get to see it again. Because his ticket prices are out of reach to readers. And then. And the plane fare because he’s not coming here.

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So what I’m left with is gratitude that I got to see him so many times and experience that level of connection. So many times. And one of the things that he says during the show is, is anybody alive out there tonight? You tell me.

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Thanks. Me! I am the founder and director of Tell Us Something and live with my wife Joyce, and our kitten Ziggy on Missoula’s North Side. Rounding out this episode at the Tell Us Something podcast. Can’t somebody get swept up in a windstorm while skydiving? Peer pressure in borrowed gear led to a harrowing experience in a story that she calls my Last Jump.

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Thanks for listening.

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Karna Sundby
There I was, hanging 1200 feet above the earth in gale force winds. And this is no shit. And that, my friends, is how a good skydiving story begins. It’s true. I was dangling from a parachute in the middle of a storm, being swept up the valley toward Snowbowl ski area. The next day’s Missoula in front page would read 59 mile an hour, winds wallop.

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Western Montana skydiver lost up Grant Creek. It was August 15th, 1988. And what a great day it had been. It was a reunion of the silver Chip skydivers, which was a club at the University of Montana in the 60s and 70s. The party was happening at Grant Creek, in a meadow equipped with barbecues, kegs and a Cessna 180 that was taking off and landing all day to give these old skydivers the chance for another free fall together.

00;42;07;22 – 00;42;32;22

Although I had made well over 300 jumps with this club, I had no intention of making a skydive today. It had been ten years and I had never flown one of these fancy square parachutes that everyone was now using. And the ripcord wasn’t here anymore. It was down here someplace. And the parachute. Did you, just in case of a malfunction, wasn’t here where you could see it was behind you someplace.

00;42;32;24 – 00;42;58;15

So, no, everything was so different, and I was not going to jump. And then my friends started saying, come on, it’s going to be so much fun. Come on. The sunset is going to be so pretty from up there. So with that little bit of peer pressure, I changed my mind and was soon donning borrowed gear. I was wearing somebody else’s jumpsuit that was too big, somebody else’s rig that wasn’t comfortable.

00;42;58;18 – 00;43;22;07

Somebody else’s soft leather helmet. Unlike the hard motorcyle type helmet that I was accustomed to my own gear I had given away ten years earlier, and I loved it. Every time I looked up at that and saw that beautiful white and blue parachute, I felt like I was with an old friend who had safely landed me in so many different drop zones.

00;43;22;09 – 00;43;50;14
Karna Sundby
We had jumped into the oval at the University, into fireworks stands over the 4th of July, into weddings and rodeos and football games. I loved it. But this gear was so unfamiliar, and it had been so long that I said to the three guys I was with and this jump today, I’m going to dump high, which meant I’m going to pull my ripcord earlier than you pull yours.

00;43;50;16 – 00;44;15;09

Maybe 1000ft earlier so that I have a longer parachute. Right? So that in the unlikely event that I have a malfunction, I have more time to deal with it. So we were climbing into the plane, and my buddy Andy ran up with a hard helmet and said, wear this instead. It’ll be safer. So I swapped the soft leather one off my head for the harder, safer pair helmet.

00;44;15;12 – 00;44;37;29

And little did I know how grateful I would later be for this kind gesture. We took off and the plan was to go up to 8000ft for a 32nd freefall, but at 5000ft, the tower from the Missoula airport called us and said, if you’re going to go, you better go right now, there’s a big storm rolling in. So we looked out the open door, the airplane.

00;44;38;00 – 00;44;49;18

We could see these huge black clouds on the horizon. So we jumped.

00;44;49;20 – 00;45;14;19

It was incredible to be in freefall again. I had forgotten how much I loved this, and we were doing relative work, which meant we were flying together, holding hands, making a circle that was falling through the sky. Epic. Our parachutes all opened successfully and I was having so much fun flying this smaller, faster chute called a pair a plane.

00;45;14;21 – 00;45;33;01

I took the goggles off my eyes and clipped them on top of my helmet so I could feel the breeze in my face. I looked down and I could see the other three guys lower than me, getting ready to make perfect landings in the meadow. And my approach was all set up. I was going to have a great landing as well.

00;45;33;03 – 00;45;58;05

When suddenly I was moving backwards. Now this parachute had 32 miles an hour forward speed and I was being blown backwards. And then suddenly I was being buffeted around by this heavy, heavy winds. I looked down at the ground. I looked at my altimeter and saw I had gone up a couple hundred feet, which just doesn’t happen with this kind of parachute.

00;45;58;08 – 00;46;20;08

I realized that I was in the middle of this horrific storm, suspended from a few sheets of ripstop nylon. It’s funny how there’s not fear, how logic kicks in when you’re making decisions that may possibly save your life.

00;46;20;10 – 00;46;46;15

My first thought was maybe I’m caught in winds aloft. So I cranked a toggle, a steering line hard to make the parachute spiral down fast to get out of such winds. But no, I was still being blown backwards. So my second thought was, where can I possibly land? In those days, at the base of Grant Creek, there were just a few neighborhoods, and then it was forest all the way up to Snowbowl.

00;46;46;17 – 00;47;13;00

So I looked over my shoulder and in the forest I could see three homes with pretty big yards. And I thought, well, maybe I’ll land in one of those yards. And then I thought, no, they’re probably surrounded by electrical wires. I’ve never flown this parachute. It’s just too dangerous. So way up there. I had seen a clearing closer to Snowbowl, and I decided to turn and run with the wind and see if I could make it to the clearing.

00;47;13;02 – 00;47;31;10

Now you know that my parachute had 32 miles an hour forward speed. And you know that the winds had been clocked at 59 miles an hour. So you can do the math. I was screaming up that valley.

00;47;31;12 – 00;47;55;17

I didn’t make it to the clearing about 25ft above treetop level. I turned back into the wind because it would be better to land going 30 miles an hour backwards than to downwind it forward at 90 miles an hour. Fortunately, I remembered the tree landing protocol I had learned when I trained with the Silverton skydivers back in 1970.

00;47;55;20 – 00;48;20;19

You cross your legs like this and your arms like this, because one of the many bad outcomes of this situation was that I could land on top of a dead lodgepole pine. Skewered through some vulnerable body part and bleed to death.

00;48;20;22 – 00;48;36;26

But no. I was crashing through the lodgepole pines, branches, debris, twigs going everywhere. And I remember thinking, damn, I wish I was still wearing my goggles.

00;48;36;28 – 00;49;10;01

I thundered in and landed hard on the ground feet, but head hard enough to crack my pelvis. And without that helmet, I wonder if I would have cracked my skull. The wind was so intense that my parachute was still inflated and it was dragging me through the trees. And I reached up and started pulling the harness down. And then the harness is connected to the parachute by shroud lines, and I’m pulling the shroud lines down, trying, trying and trying to collapse the parachute.

00;49;10;03 – 00;49;36;25

Finally I got it deflated and I scooted back and laid on top of it so it wouldn’t re inflate. Eventually the wind subsided. I tried to stand up and that’s when I knew my leg was broken. So there’s nothing I could do but wait. As dusk approached, I try not to think of lions and wolves and bears on my.

00;49;36;27 – 00;49;48;00

And with a little prayer in my heart that went something like. What if you get me out of this one, I promise never again.

00;49;48;03 – 00;50;13;23

Meanwhile, back at the party, that storm hit hard and fast and was being blown all over the place. And my friends are me being blown away. So they jumped into their vehicles and raced up the road to rescue me. Now, in one of those three homes I had seen from the air, a family was was gathered out on their front porch watching this spectacular storm.

00;50;13;25 – 00;50;19;24

And they saw me fly by.

00;50;19;27 – 00;50;49;05

And then a little bit later, they saw my friends drive by. So they started shouting. He went that way. Lucky me. At least they would be looking on the correct side of the road. It was probably over an hour before they found me. And all I can say is thank God for shark. And when they did phone me, they showed me this big branch that I had apparently broken off a tree which had apparently broken my leg.

00;50;49;08 – 00;50;57;28

I call it a limb for a limb situation.

00;50;58;00 – 00;51;24;17

They firemen carried me out of the forest and drove me to the emergency room at Saint Pat’s Hospital. And, I didn’t know if the medical insurance I had at my job would cover a skydiving injury. So I told them that I’d been playing Frisbee.

00;51;24;20 – 00;51;29;29

And ran into a bench.

00;51;30;02 – 00;51;56;10

I also didn’t know that search and rescue had been called out to locate me. So you can imagine my surprise when this burly sheriff’s deputy comes walking into the exam room. So broke your leg, she said. I nodded. And you were up Grand Creek, were you? I said and you were playing Frisbee were you? And you ran into a bench did you.

00;51;56;13 – 00;52;01;13

Low flying bench. She asked.

00;52;01;15 – 00;52;09;23

And that’s no shit.

00;52;09;25 – 00;52;32;23
Marc Moss
Thanks. Karna. Karna Sundby has always been on her own unique uncharted past. Her curiosity and spiritual quest has taken her to places that most people would find bizarre, wondrous or enlightening, depending on their personal life experience. The one word they would never use to describe Kanha is boring. Karna’s gift and curse is being fearless. Thanks for listening to the Tell Us Something podcast.

00;52;32;25 – 00;52;47;01
Marc Moss
Remember that the next Tell Us Something event is January 13th. The theme is hold my beer. Learn how to pitch your story and get tickets at Tell Us something.org. Tune in next week to hear the concluding stories from the Never Again live storytelling event.

00;52;47;03 – 00;53;14;06
Jesse Ballard
I distinctly thought about the doll house in the corner, the horse mural on the wall. And so when I started to wake up from that nighttime nap, I was really surprised to look around and see thorn branches instead of that childhood bedroom wall. The meadows are there. They’re up to our knees in color and riotous glory. It’s a misty day, so we aren’t hurt.

00;53;14;14 – 00;53;42;10
Betsy Funk
It’s cool. And the mist has made the flowers scream at us. It’s glorious. And I’m hiking with my dog. Thank goodness for the open mouth piece. Right? Yeah. So I’m throwing up everywhere, and all of a sudden, the crowd of kids just falls completely silent.

00;53;42;12 – 00;53;48;17
Sydney Lang
And a kid goes, hey, that’s my grandma’s costume that you’re throwing up in.

00;53;48;19 – 00;53;59;28
Marc Moss
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